I have Nokon housing still on one of my bikes, it's been on there since 2011 without issue and I've got well over 10k miles on that bike.
I think Jagwire still offer something similar, no idea if Nokon is still around.
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I think Jagwire still offer something similar, no idea if Nokon is still around.
Would that not make it 10speed?
A decent 10spd drivetrain will often remain running fine on the same old stock cables for tens of thousands of miles anyway.
Cheap too if you buy it by the furlong.
I bought into the Gor-Tex thing. That was a loooong time ago. For the cost? Not really optimal, is what I remember feeling.
But you know, on an ebike where it takes like all day to change out a derailleur cable due to motor and other jackassery, it could be useful, if it actually lasted longer.
If you can afford it, AXS is where it's at. No cables is better than 2 cables. Even if it is SRAM.
But you know, on an ebike where it takes like all day to change out a derailleur cable due to motor and other jackassery, it could be useful, if it actually lasted longer.
If you can afford it, AXS is where it's at. No cables is better than 2 cables. Even if it is SRAM.
I bought a set of Gore Tex cables and housing from dx.com about 13 years ago. We had incredibly rainy winters, they were cheaper than Shimano XTR and I was curious. It came with a 2m spool of housing , the inner yellow housing and Teflon covered cables, which was a bonus.
I remember I didn't know how to cut the housing back in the day, so I drilled all the frame's cable stops and made it a continuous housing from the shifters through the derailleurs (it was a 3x9 bike).
Gotta admit it really made the shifting smoother, but I can't comment on the long term because I sold the bike after that winter
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I remember I didn't know how to cut the housing back in the day, so I drilled all the frame's cable stops and made it a continuous housing from the shifters through the derailleurs (it was a 3x9 bike).
Gotta admit it really made the shifting smoother, but I can't comment on the long term because I sold the bike after that winter
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I wish we had non communist wages though. The 90s eldorado of "hey you know english? Ok you are now a high level executive" has unfortunately ended.Sounds like you don't live in communism anymore.
Weirdly a lot of the stuff that works is thanks to communism. What doesn't is the new govts going "communism was bad, who needs communist local rail..."
Ahh that was my drug brain speaking. Of course it's not 3000k but 3000. Even with my mothers weird spending habits like rending a 10 bedroom house for 3 people she would not spend 3000k on a bike (mostly because it was not possible)
Just ordered 3! My stupid e-bike cable routing +/- how I managed to get the housing wrapped around the chainstay (now sure how possible) could really use one of these, and I bet a kids bike and my wife's bike might benefit as well.On that note:
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SRAM patented the rolamajig to death so shimano end users couldn't buy it. They stopped selling it and integrated a similar mechanism into their derailleurs. Now the chinese appear to have offered an FU to the patent office and replicated the same thing. No more mile long cable loop....
My e-mtb has Di2, on the other hand, so I'll just try to avoid grinding that wire between the rear triangle and a rock as I've done once before. (It holds the current gear when the cable's all mangled and not transmitting electrons, for the record, instead of defaulting to where the spring would have it go on a normal or old school rapid rise (remember those?!) derailleur.)
Neat, same with @sethimus, let us know how it works. I wouldn't mind grabbing some for my various shimano bikes. Eliminating or at least reducing the loop wouldn't be a bad idea, especially for a cheap part.
I still have a little bit of Hope outer left, 10+yrs ago I ordered 2m and CRC sent me two 30m boxes, I emailed them about it but they didn't want it back.
The stuff was so stiff it wasn't funny and it had to use metal ferrules for brake line or it wouldn't fit in the guides.
The stuff was so stiff it wasn't funny and it had to use metal ferrules for brake line or it wouldn't fit in the guides.
I'd consider it if someone modified an AXS derailleur for 11spd, including shorter cage and made a minimalist 2 button shifter. No way would I want the existing AXS on my bikes.
I still don't understand how nobody has reverse engineered the AXS app and adapted the shifter/derailleur to shift any number of gears.
What is your issue with current AXS?
Too long of cage, and you can't trim it down to 11speed? Meh
Someone already made their own 7 speed DH axs by putting a 7 speed cage and adjusting the limit screws. I’m not sure if you burn out the drive if you have it pressing against a limit screws or not but you could probably put an 11 speed cage on and do the same.
didn’t you learn anything from dangerholm?
also, blibs from sram
I can see how the 11sp spacing of the cassette works when limited to just 7 cogs, but a full 11sp cassette and 12sp AXS RD spacing is likely a no no.
Makes me wonder if they programmed the shifter throw to less shifts...don't think there's enough $ in DH publicly to produce a short cage 11 set up...
-12spd (don't like the gearing, heavy cassette, maybe not as durable chain & cassette)
-Heavy derailleur
-Long cage thay seems more prone to bouncing and catching on stuff
-Shifter is no sleeker, lighter, or better feeling than cable
This is in the context that all my XX1 bikes shift perfectly and their cables have never given me a problem so wireless electric shifting on its own isn't much of an improvement.
The derailleur probably sits a little too inboard in 7th gear and a little too outboard in 1st, but close enough that it works. If it had to cover 11 gears it would be too far off at one end or the other. I'd expect the "indexing" is in the derailleur, not the shifter, so its firmware would need to be hacked. Since most of the riders who prefer 11spd are paid to use, or at least given, 12spd I don't expect anyone to sell 11spd AXS kits.
Agreed, why I own like 7, but I'd like it even more if it was 11-42.
Agreed software hack...someone will figure it out, I want a phone app so I can scan lock and change others shifting while riding...lol
Ok, yeah, I trust you know what you're talking about. You ride way more and work on way more bikes than I.
Although, I really think that the AXS is faster/quicker than cable. It is pretty cool. IMO
XTR Cassette? I think it's the lightest of all giant salad plates out there.
Yeah, because of battery/servo, yeah I'm sure it's heavier.
Haven't rear derailleurs always get caught on something? That's like a F1 driver complaining his Farrari is too long or too heavy.
(Ford v Farrari movie reference there just for fun) But Niki Lauda was awesome and did cool things. IDK - I do love love the fast action of AXS and no cable. Everything else is really not on my radar.
Once the new, sleek AXS shifters and derailleurs come out, I'll try them with XTR cassette and chain.
Who knows if Shimano will ever get their act together with true wireless.
Who knows if Shimano will ever get their act together with true wireless.
Not sure where you're getting the less durable cassette and chain. My X01 cassette and XX1 chain have about 2700 miles on them and the chain is still passing the 75% test. I killed 2 XTR cassettes in <200 miles.
My X01 AXS derailleur has had the shit smacked out of it and it still keeps on ticking. Once I hit it so hard the plastic "X01" cover folded back, and I just folded it back and re-stuck it with double sided tape. The body is covered in scratches, since turning right is my weaker direction and the local trails have a couple steep right-hand hairpins. I replaced the silly ceramic bearing pulleys with the cheap steel GX ones at like 1500 miles.
Once you get used to the light clicks of an AXS controller, the long throw of levers (dropper or shifter) feels like crap. It's easier to perfectly time your shifts under load too. My benchmark for that is shifting while pedaling an ebike in Turbo while going up a 45% grade. I can nail those shifts consistently with AXS, without any nasty crunching or clunking.
Shimano XT cassette/chain and AXS shifter is probably best of both worlds currently but I'm waiting to see what the new version does that uses the Flattop chain does.
Yeah the 52 tooth cassette jump is dumb but you can still get the 50-10 cassettes for cheaper than the 52s.
My X01 AXS derailleur has had the shit smacked out of it and it still keeps on ticking. Once I hit it so hard the plastic "X01" cover folded back, and I just folded it back and re-stuck it with double sided tape. The body is covered in scratches, since turning right is my weaker direction and the local trails have a couple steep right-hand hairpins. I replaced the silly ceramic bearing pulleys with the cheap steel GX ones at like 1500 miles.
Once you get used to the light clicks of an AXS controller, the long throw of levers (dropper or shifter) feels like crap. It's easier to perfectly time your shifts under load too. My benchmark for that is shifting while pedaling an ebike in Turbo while going up a 45% grade. I can nail those shifts consistently with AXS, without any nasty crunching or clunking.
Shimano XT cassette/chain and AXS shifter is probably best of both worlds currently but I'm waiting to see what the new version does that uses the Flattop chain does.
Yeah the 52 tooth cassette jump is dumb but you can still get the 50-10 cassettes for cheaper than the 52s.
That was, like, the number one complaint with the 10-50 (and gave Shimano an advantage) I can’t believe they didn’t step the low gears better. Like 42/47/50/52, or whatever combo you prefer. Maybe 43/48/52? (I didn’t look what they are).
42 -52 is some straight up crap on a bike that actually gets pedaled long distances on steep uphills (By old men)
42 -52 is some straight up crap on a bike that actually gets pedaled long distances on steep uphills (By old men)
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I'm not so sure. IME, effort is not linear to increases in grade. In other words, increasing the grade a few % points is way way harder and cassettes shouldn't step linear, they should be more linear towards the small gears and make bigger and bigger jumps towards the easier gears. That's the only way it makes sense to me. The only place for really tight ratios (small steps) is road cassettes with 2x up front.That was, like, the number one complaint with the 10-50 (and gave Shimano an advantage) I can’t believe they didn’t step the low gears better. Like 42/47/50/52, or whatever combo you prefer. Maybe 43/48/52? (I didn’t look what they are).
42 -52 is some straight up crap on a bike that actually gets pedaled long distances on steep uphills (By old men)
you just need the 11/12 speed blib box and hide it somewhere im your frame
yeah both sram and shimano have the two big gears too close to each other. You can hardly tell the difference between them unless the climb is really steep.That was, like, the number one complaint with the 10-50 (and gave Shimano an advantage) I can’t believe they didn’t step the low gears better. Like 42/47/50/52, or whatever combo you prefer. Maybe 43/48/52? (I didn’t look what they are).
42 -52 is some straight up crap on a bike that actually gets pedaled long distances on steep uphills (By old men)
Waiting for the breakage reports.