[4xBoy]

I really screwed up, there is a long rear end for my frame, I already have the short one, also should have got a coil shock then I would have all options.

Haven't rode my Steezl to find out what it is like, I hope this weekend.

 

[Jm_]

Its the HSR on the Ohlins that may need help IME. I went back to middle 050 rebound tune. I think that’s sufficient. Still testing my compression tune, not sure about that one.

 

[Toshi]

I have two Outbound Lighting lights, a 2020 era Trail Edition (external battery era) and a 2022 Hangover helmet model. I emailed support at midnight to figure out how to set them to flashing mode for on-road adventures, and at 7:02 AM Tom Place, one of the co-owners, emailed me back.

Hey Toshi, Hangover has two "be seen" modes accessed by holding the power button down for 3 seconds from OFF. It will enter Daytime Strobe, which is an aggressive triple-blink to get attention in bright ambient conditions, and then clicking will cycle to Nighttime Pulse mode, which is a smoother pulse that won't destroy the night vision of oncoming drivers in dark ambient conditions. All new products have the same be-seen modes accessed in the same way.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0557/5848/7723/files/Hangover_Manual_web.pdf?v=1654013479

For the Trail Edition, it had a single and much more basic be-seen mode accessed by triple-clicking the power button from off. Hope this helps!

 

[bullcrew]

Thanks @Bikael Molton , I have a 2020 Meta AM so this is good to hear. Mine isn't that bad alignment-wise in general, but when I bolt one end of the shock, the other end arrives perfectly in line with the hole, so I should be good.

I prefer fast rebound and a planted feel, so it seems like I will love this shock.

@bullcrew The guy who answered my email was Jake. He seems really helpful and knowledgeable!

He's a good dude....shoot the shit about a lot of stuff and projects as well as tuning etc..he gets answers if he doesn't have em and stays on top of stuff

 

[toodles]

I just saw Irish DH nationals ran a retro bike category with plenty of 26" DH bikes. Legendary.

 

[SylentK]

Just wanted to comment on Ohlins customer support. Gave them a shout before some big show, but they answered my questions, and they were really good about being responsive. And the fact that the big Oh works. and works well!! My TTX is way better than my Fox X2. At least on my Ripmo. First gen. So happy with the Oh!

 

[sethimus]

 

[HardtailHack]

710USD to your door, without shock-

 

[SylentK]

Dan Marino is making bikes?! Where are the Isotoner gloves?

Looks like my 2001 Santa Cruz Superlight.

 

[jstuhlman]

 

[Jm_]

710USD to your door, without shock-
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Yay for the falling rate single pivot. This isn't as falling rate as some...but I guess this is an XC bike or something, since it's optimized for air shocks.

Single pivot bikes can be done right, but you gotta push the rear eyelet way back behind the ST or use a yoke or something if you want to mount the shock on the DT. And they even still rotate the front end down a bit more, for more progression.

 

[HardtailHack]

Yeah but there's a couple of people like me out there that don't really give a fuck and just want something easy to service. I don't race and I'm not a great rider, hell, I even like air shocks over coil.

My frame is more digressive than that one but it's still pretty fancy compared to the hardtails I had before it.

 

[vivisectxi]

Yay for the falling rate single pivot. This isn't as falling rate as some...but I guess this is an XC bike or something, since it's optimized for air shocks.

that one looks ok. though because you can specify custom everything & the forward shock mount just ends up where it ends up to fit everything in, some of the customer designs end up on the (very) questionable side. ie:

 

[Westy]

Yay for the falling rate single pivot. This isn't as falling rate as some...but I guess this is an XC bike or something, since it's optimized for air shocks.
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Single pivot bikes can be done right, but you gotta push the rear eyelet way back behind the ST or use a yoke or something if you want to mount the shock on the DT. And they even still rotate the front end down a bit more, for more progression.

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A coil sprung DH bike and a short travel air sprung bike have different design requirements?

No way.

 

[rideit]

Gee, a very heavy, flexy, falling rate single pivot short travel bike. (That will side load the Shock horrendously).
Where do I sign up?

 

[Westy]

Haven't rode my Steezl to find out what it is like,

Sad

 

[4xBoy]

Sad

It is fu--ing pathetic.

 

[HardtailHack]

Antidote also giving specs-

https://antidotebikes.com/product/darkmatter/

 

[HardtailHack]

Gee, a very heavy, flexy, falling rate single pivot short travel bike. (That will side load the Shock horrendously).
Where do I sign up?

Tor, Starling, Ferrum, Marino, there's heaps of options.

Do Flexible Swingarms Damage Rear Shocks? - Starling Cycles

We often see comments saying that flexible swing arms damage rear shocks. Let’s explore why that’s nonsense.

www.starlingcycles.com

 

[SylentK]

This is a cool read. Not really sure it's "right" with the industry. Having to spend around $12,000 USD for one month in euroland to race your bike at the elite level. But still, good read.

The Cost of Racing World Cup Downhill in Europe with an American Privateer

My name is Andrew Driscoll. I am a 19-year-old, first-year elite privateer from Bow, New Hampshire. Racing downhill mountain bikes at the highest level is extremely difficult for everyone competing—the logistics, mental and physical requirements, not to mention the fine line you have to push to...

www.vitalmtb.com

 

[Gary]

• Rental Van = $2430

$4k on accomodation saved right there.

 

[Lelandjt]

710USD to your door, without shock-
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Needs moar shock angle. Digressive at end of travel.

 

[norbar]

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/yt-industries-releases-capra-uncaged-10-cf-and-al.html

If anyone is looking for a bike it's a steal. Sure it's not the best frame but for $3000 the alu model is great. The parts you don't change frequently are solid.

 

[sethimus]

the cf version is nearly as heavy as my alu bike

16.4 kg in s

 

[Jm_]

Tor, Starling, Ferrum, Marino, there's heaps of options.

Do Flexible Swingarms Damage Rear Shocks? - Starling Cycles

We often see comments saying that flexible swing arms damage rear shocks. Let’s explore why that’s nonsense.

www.starlingcycles.com

Says company making falling rate bike with coil shock…

 

[HardtailHack]

Says company making falling rate bike with coil shock…

Yeah he makes some confusing reads, I find them pretty funny.
I know my bike is a shit design and I don't try to stick up for it, aside from maintenance I'd imagine it performs worse than any other suspension design.

 

[Gary]

cf

Cunty fucker?

 

[konifere]

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/yt-industries-releases-capra-uncaged-10-cf-and-al.html

If anyone is looking for a bike it's a steal. Sure it's not the best frame but for $3000 the alu model is great. The parts you don't change frequently are solid.

I'm hoping FOX installed steel shafts on those shocks, because apparently they don't approve their coil shocks for bikes using a yoke like those YTs.

 

[canadmos]

the cf version is nearly as heavy as my alu bike

16.4 kg in s

Its pretty obvious some of these brands are increasing the weight in hopes to bring the strength up, so they have less failures when someone is "just riding along".

 

[Andeh]

I'm hoping FOX installed steel shafts on those shocks, because apparently they don't approve their coil shocks for bikes using a yoke like those YTs.

Apparently the DHX (vs DHX2) has a steel larger diameter shaft compared to the DHX2, and is approved for certain combinations of yoke+stroke lengths. I don't have a link, but apparently they have a chart on their webpage so you can figure it out.

 

[konifere]

That's what I thought looking at the shock (steel shafts are often chromed and it looks a bit bigger). That would explain the spec and it's indeed a great spec for the price!

 

[vivisectxi]

Apparently the DHX (vs DHX2) has a steel larger diameter shaft compared to the DHX2, and is approved for certain combinations of yoke+stroke lengths. I don't have a link, but apparently they have a chart on their webpage so you can figure it out.

yep:

Shock Stroke	Max Strut Length*
	Standard Eyelet	Trunnion Eyelet
40mm-45mm	118mm	76mm
50mm-55mm	98mm	56mm
60mm-65mm	72mm	36mm
70mm-75mm	37mm	16mm

https://www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike&id=1138

 

[Lelandjt]

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/yt-industries-releases-capra-uncaged-10-cf-and-al.html

If anyone is looking for a bike it's a steal. Sure it's not the best frame but for $3000 the alu model is great. The parts you don't change frequently are solid.

I thought my Capra was pretty good. Too progressive with an air shock but felt perfect with a DHX2 and a lighter frame than most 170mm. That was carbon, but the peasant version should be about the same.

 

[norbar]

the cf version is nearly as heavy as my alu bike

16.4 kg in s

They are heavy bikes but it's still a pretty sweet deal given the part spec. Not everyone is making swiss cheese.

I thought my Capra was pretty good. Too progressive with an air shock but felt perfect with a DHX2 and a lighter frame than most 170mm. That was carbon, but the peasant version should be about the same.

I'm happy with mine. A fun bike. Sure it rides like it had less travel but I still enjoy it. The only thing that bums me is not having as much time to ride it as I want and so I have to mostly be content with local trails which are meh.

 

[Redwood Mulch Chucker]

Apparently the DHX (vs DHX2) has a steel larger diameter shaft compared to the DHX2, and is approved for certain combinations of yoke+stroke lengths. I don't have a link, but apparently they have a chart on their webpage so you can figure it out.

DHX is a much better platform than the DHX2 in addition to being more robust.

Very easy to tune, a simple base valve with shims. LSC controls a bleed across the base valve. RockShox style IFP fill, no needle required. Stroke externally adjustable from 57.5mm to 65mm for the big ones.

You can find brand new takeoffs on PB for $300-$350. Best coil Fox makes.

 

[Jozz]

Its pretty obvious some of these brands are increasing the weight in hopes to bring the strength up, so they have less failures when someone is "just riding along".

My Scout is pretty heavy for CF frame. Guess it's the compromise for the lifetime warranty.

 

[ChrisRobin]

Italians from dhsign.it have made spherical bushings that fit into standard eyelets:

dhsign mtb equipment on Instagram: "Sembra un piccolo movimento sferico, ma son circa 15 gradi. una enormità per salvare il tuo ammortizzatore . Il rumore di sottofondo è il motore che lo mette in movimento per collaudare il FixShox. Smooth !"

61 likes, 4 comments - dhsign.it on June 17, 2022: "Sembra un piccolo movimento sferico, ma son circa 15 gradi. una enormità per salvare il tuo ammortizzatore . Il rumore di sottofondo è il motore che lo mette in movimento per collaudare il FixShox. Smooth !".

www.instagram.com

Their solution seems to be patented...

Now THAT is interesting. Not that I have issues with blowing up shocks, but I remember Steve from Vorsprung saying something along the lines that trunnion shocks are too stiff and have no give at that end. Whereas normal eyelets can flex and move a bit to alleviate some stress on the shock when the suspension moves.

 

[Jm_]

Now THAT is interesting. Not that I have issues with blowing up shocks, but I remember Steve from Vorsprung saying something along the lines that trunnion shocks are too stiff and have no give at that end. Whereas normal eyelets can flex and move a bit to alleviate some stress on the shock when the suspension moves.

Also because with the Push 11-6 and the new Vorsprung shock, you run into clearance issues when the end of the shock is right up against a frame member. They are specing spherical bearings on both of those and they use up more real-estate, effectively making the eyelet a lot "thicker" and sticking out further...which doesn't work for every bike. Vorsprung *might* offer a non-spherical option based on my conversations with em, but not set in stone at all.

 

[Happymtb.fr]

Italians from dhsign.it have made spherical bushings that fit into standard eyelets:

dhsign mtb equipment on Instagram: "Sembra un piccolo movimento sferico, ma son circa 15 gradi. una enormità per salvare il tuo ammortizzatore . Il rumore di sottofondo è il motore che lo mette in movimento per collaudare il FixShox. Smooth !"

61 likes, 4 comments - dhsign.it on June 17, 2022: "Sembra un piccolo movimento sferico, ma son circa 15 gradi. una enormità per salvare il tuo ammortizzatore . Il rumore di sottofondo è il motore che lo mette in movimento per collaudare il FixShox. Smooth !".

www.instagram.com

Their solution seems to be patented...

@Balgaroth did you have issue with durability on those?

 

[SylentK]

Well if you live in nothern Colorado...

Berthoud Bike Park | Berthoud, CO