[Sandwich]

SRAM disc brakes

 

[slimshady]

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/absoluteblack-claim-to-have-created-the-worlds-fastest-and-most-durable-chain-lube.html

$150 for a bottle of lube. Unless it comes with some higly renowned female porn star attached to it, I'd call it BS.

 

[canadmos]

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/absoluteblack-claim-to-have-created-the-worlds-fastest-and-most-durable-chain-lube.html

$150 for a bottle of lube. Unless it comes with some higly renowned female porn star attached to it, I'd call it BS.

Is it a coincidence that such a high priced item has a logo that is almost identical to Bugatti's?

 

[Jm_]

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/absoluteblack-claim-to-have-created-the-worlds-fastest-and-most-durable-chain-lube.html

$150 for a bottle of lube. Unless it comes with some higly renowned female porn star attached to it, I'd call it BS.

Those guys are full of bullshit. I get blasted all day with adds about how their chainrings will make me faster, scientifically proven, etc. So I ask them what scientific proof they have that their results are valid, they say "well it provides 'up to' this and that % improvement in this and that". I say that "up to" is a red flag, what are the significance of the results, what quantitative methods have been used to determine their validity? They send me to their website which basically just says the same exact thing. No validation of the results. Nothing to indicate that their "up to" numbers are more than outliers or noise. Their claims are grandiose. If you got a 7% increase, you'd obviously smash every TDF course record ever. They are actually claiming some kind of turbo-charging effect, that you don't lose performance with altitude with these things...lol.

 

[jonKranked]

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/absoluteblack-claim-to-have-created-the-worlds-fastest-and-most-durable-chain-lube.html

$150 for a bottle of lube. Unless it comes with some higly renowned female porn star attached to it, I'd call it BS.

well the half ounce bottle is $15.

 

[jonKranked]

Those guys are full of bullshit. I get blasted all day with adds about how their chainrings will make me faster, scientifically proven, etc. So I ask them what scientific proof they have that their results are valid, they say "well it provides 'up to' this and that % improvement in this and that". I say that "up to" is a red flag, what are the significance of the results, what quantitative methods have been used to determine their validity? They send me to their website which basically just says the same exact thing. No validation of the results. Their claims are grandiose. If you got a 7% increase, you'd obviously smash every TDF course record ever. They are actually claiming some kind of turbo-charging effect, that you don't lose performance with altitude with these things...lol.

absolute black is more of a reference to the amount of darkness which exists in the pit where they get these "claims".

 

[jonKranked]

Those guys are full of bullshit. I get blasted all day with adds about how their chainrings will make me faster, scientifically proven, etc. So I ask them what scientific proof they have that their results are valid, they say "well it provides 'up to' this and that % improvement in this and that". I say that "up to" is a red flag, what are the significance of the results, what quantitative methods have been used to determine their validity? They send me to their website which basically just says the same exact thing. No validation of the results. Nothing to indicate that their "up to" numbers are more than outliers or noise. Their claims are grandiose. If you got a 7% increase, you'd obviously smash every TDF course record ever. They are actually claiming some kind of turbo-charging effect, that you don't lose performance with altitude with these things...lol.

also, some of the phrasing they're using is in a training module i'm required to take every few years. it's an example of phrasing to NOT use because it's ambiguous. my industry has very strict requirements on what kind of information can be used in marketing literature.

 

[Jm_]

Is it a coincidence that such a high priced item has a logo that is almost identical to Bugatti's?

He's kind of the road-bike-bottom-bracket version of Craig talking about RS and Fox suspension...

 

[sundaydoug]

my industry has very strict requirements on what kind of information can be used in marketing literature.

I used to work in pharma, same deal. Bit different than the bike industry.

 

[jonKranked]

I used to work in pharma, same deal. Bit different than the bike industry.

teensy bit.

 

[djjohnr]

I used to work in pharma, same deal. Bit different than the bike industry.

I have to deal with pharma marketing now. I've worked with some other industries that involve regulated marketing, but pharma by far takes the cake.

 

[sundaydoug]

I have to deal with pharma marketing now. I've worked with some other industries that involve regulated marketing, but pharma by far takes the cake.

Oh yea. Teams of attorneys that review marketing materials long before sales reps even see them and start training on them. Then they spend weeks drilling it into your head military-style to make sure you say exactly what you're supposed to. Legit.

Then on the other hand we have bike industry marketing (which, ironically now is part of my profession) and it's like a free-for-all. Companies can say whatever they want because people just believe it. Dumbfounding.

 

[slimshady]

 

[Wuffles]

Those guys are full of bullshit. I get blasted all day with adds about how their chainrings will make me faster, scientifically proven, etc. So I ask them what scientific proof they have that their results are valid, they say "well it provides 'up to' this and that % improvement in this and that". I say that "up to" is a red flag, what are the significance of the results, what quantitative methods have been used to determine their validity? They send me to their website which basically just says the same exact thing. No validation of the results. Nothing to indicate that their "up to" numbers are more than outliers or noise. Their claims are grandiose. If you got a 7% increase, you'd obviously smash every TDF course record ever. They are actually claiming some kind of turbo-charging effect, that you don't lose performance with altitude with these things...lol.

I remember when I was first shopping for oval chainrings, like in 2015 or something. At the time the only two options were Absolute bLack (of substance), and Wolftooth. The sheer level of marketeering wankery spewed by AbsLack even back then was astonishing. Wolftooth in contrast was just like: here's some oval chainrings, what size do you want? I think both companies were roughly the same size back then.

Currently, AB seems to only sell the same limited selection of oval chainrings, and this overpriced marketing juice.

Wolftooth has a much bigger selection, and seems to be a much bigger company these days, sometimes substance wins out over style.

 

[StiHacka]

Oh yea. Teams of attorneys that review marketing materials long before sales reps even see them and start training on them. Then they spend weeks drilling it into your head military-style to make sure you say exactly what you're supposed to. Legit.

Then on the other hand we have bike industry marketing (which, ironically now is part of my profession) and it's like a free-for-all. Companies can say whatever they want because people just believe it. Dumbfounding.

And yet, when you buy a bike, you can research their price and get what works for you the best.

Not exactly the same experience when you need medical care...

 

[toodles]

Are all modern gloves basically throwaways after one ride? I've just bought and returned gloves from Dakine and TLD that both came apart at the stitching within a few rides (one ride for the TLDs). I get that modern, thinner gloves are gonna be less durable in a crash, but these things came unstitched without a crash. And its not like they're cheap these days. My old TLD Airs are going strong after ages, but the new version sucks. Trying some Fasthouse ones now.

 

[jstuhlman]

fuck gloves unless it's below 40 freedoms

 

[jonKranked]

Not exactly the same experience when you need medical care...

Because when consumers are allowed a voice on that subject the first ones that speak up want essential oils instead of vaccines

 

[jonKranked]

fuck gloves unless it's below 40 freedoms

Some of us sweat.

 

[rideit]

And value the utility of our hands.

 

[jstuhlman]

Some of us sweat.

And value the utility of our hands.

oh, i sweat...i live somewhere sweatier than you. and utility...meh.

 

[jonKranked]

oh, i sweat...i live somewhere sweatier than you. and utility...meh.

Maybe that's why your bike cracked

 

[jstuhlman]

Maybe that's why your bike cracked

 

[buckoW]

fuck gloves unless it's below 40 freedoms

I agree but would like to add that gloves are cool in the rain too.

 

[toodles]

fuck gloves unless it's below 40 freedoms

I actually reckon its the cooler days here where you can run no gloves, not the other way around. It gets bloody hot and sweaty even in winter here.

 

[englertracing]

Are all modern gloves basically throwaways after one ride? I've just bought and returned gloves from Dakine and TLD that both came apart at the stitching within a few rides (one ride for the TLDs). I get that modern, thinner gloves are gonna be less durable in a crash, but these things came unstitched without a crash. And its not like they're cheap these days. My old TLD Airs are going strong after ages, but the new version sucks. Trying some Fasthouse ones now.

Maybe quit buying girly gloves more suited to roadys.... buy some motorcycle gloves

 

[iRider]

If you google girly gloves, this is what comes up.....yep, looks like stuff that TLD would sell.

 

[johnbryanpeters]

Are all modern gloves basically throwaways after one ride? I've just bought and returned gloves from Dakine and TLD that both came apart at the stitching within a few rides (one ride for the TLDs). I get that modern, thinner gloves are gonna be less durable in a crash, but these things came unstitched without a crash. And its not like they're cheap these days. My old TLD Airs are going strong after ages, but the new version sucks. Trying some Fasthouse ones now.

That's been my recent experience. I used to wear Fox, but local LBSs started stocking only roadie gloves. I have had some luck buying moto gloves instead.

 

[canadmos]

Check out Handup gloves. Granted I have only one pair, but they seem decent.

HANDUP | Mountain Bike Gloves, Golf Gloves & Ski Gloves

Home of the original bold, Minimalist Mountain bike gloves, Golf Gloves, Skiing Gloves, and Snowboarding Gloves with affordable Outdoor Apparel to match!

handupgloves.com

I still use some older fox gloves that I have stockpiled from when I worked there. They do seem better than a lot of newer paper thin gloves.

 

[slimshady]

Just go and buy some Fox Dirtpaws at a moto shop. The TLD stuff is basicaly useless while out there in the trails. I ripped the whole palm section of one of them (TLD GP) just by trying to move a log that had fallen over a berm. And it was the second time I wore them. Overpriced POS. I aint' touching them with a stick again.

O'neal and Dainese stuff seems to be decently done too. Some moto riding friends wear those, and they tend to crash a lot .

 

[Cerberus75]

Check out Handup gloves. Granted I have only one pair, but they seem decent.

HANDUP | Mountain Bike Gloves, Golf Gloves & Ski Gloves

Home of the original bold, Minimalist Mountain bike gloves, Golf Gloves, Skiing Gloves, and Snowboarding Gloves with affordable Outdoor Apparel to match!

handupgloves.com

I still use some older fox gloves that I have stockpiled from when I worked there. They do seem better than a lot of newer paper thin gloves.

I have 2 pairs of these and a few pairs of 100% Hand Up hold up a little better. But these 2 are good brands for minimalist gloves. All the bigger name brands tend to come un-stitched.

 

[ebarker9]

Been wearing 100% Celium gloves as a minimalist option for a few seasons and no failures on mine. Perhaps I'm not as extreme in my usage as others.

 

[jonKranked]

i have 661 rajis that are years old and are just starting to show their age. and when i say years, i'm talking at least probably 7 or 8? but to be fair i got 3 pairs at the time (i think they were on clearance for $10) and rotate through them.

 

[canadmos]

Also, are you guys opening cans of beer while wearing your gloves?

This is critical info, as the tab on the can will for sure deteriorate the glove a lot faster. Moar beer, moar wear.

 

[Jm_]

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/absoluteblack-claim-to-have-created-the-worlds-fastest-and-most-durable-chain-lube.html

$150 for a bottle of lube. Unless it comes with some higly renowned female porn star attached to it, I'd call it BS.

The fucking AB adds are getting out of hand. They were ridiculous before, but jesus.

 

[Jm_]

Also, are you guys opening cans of beer while wearing your gloves?

This is critical info, as the tab on the can will for sure deteriorate the glove a lot faster. Moar beer, moar wear.

I went back to glass and using my pedals. Then I put on a glove to insulate the bottle.

 

[toodles]

I went back to glass and using my pedals. Then I put on a glove to insulate the bottle.

Bottles are fine for end of the ride, but for out on the trail I think cans are the safer option.

Why hasn't this been the subject of a website test yet?

 

[HAB]

Bottles are fine for end of the ride, but for out on the trail I think cans are the safer option.

Why hasn't this been the subject of a website test yet?

BRB pitching an on-trail beer transportation systems roundup.

We've got:

• 12oz bottles
• large format bottles
• 12oz cans
• 16oz cans
• larger crowler style cans
• trailer with a keg in it

Criteria:

• Breakability
• Weight per volume of beer
• Safety
• Ease of transport
• Availability of beer options
• Insulation

Am I missing anything?

 

[toodles]

Am I missing anything?

Measurements in mL

 

[rideit]

BRB pitching an on-trail beer transportation systems roundup.

We've got:

• 12oz bottles
• large format bottles
• 12oz cans
• 16oz cans
• larger crowler style cans
• trailer with a keg in it

Criteria:

• Breakability
• Weight per volume of beer
• Safety
• Ease of transport
• Availability of beer options
• Insulation

Am I missing anything?

You need a brewery to be the sponsor of this test?
I can think of a few that would be all over it.