I tried a Christini in Moab ~2002 or so. The thing had crazy climbing traction. If you were mainly into motoring up technical climbs I guess they could make sense. Maybe the bike packing crowd?
Bike packing I want ultra reliable, not extra junk.I tried a Christini in Moab ~2002 or so. The thing had crazy climbing traction. If you were mainly into motoring up technical climbs I guess they could make sense. Maybe the bike packing crowd?
NOPE. 32GTFO.Make the hub wider for better bracing angle in order to achieve stiffer, stronger wheels, then remove some spokes to make more compliant weaker wheels, logic!
Industry Nine Adds 24 Spoke SuperBoost Hubs to Their System Wheel Range - Pinkbike
Industry Nine has updated their range of 24 spoke System wheels with a new SuperBoost option.m.pinkbike.com
According to a wheel simulator I was playing with.Make the hub wider for better bracing angle in order to achieve stiffer, stronger wheels, then remove some spokes to make more compliant weaker wheels, logic!
Industry Nine Adds 24 Spoke SuperBoost Hubs to Their System Wheel Range - Pinkbike
Industry Nine has updated their range of 24 spoke System wheels with a new SuperBoost option.m.pinkbike.com
36 shall be the number and the number shall be 36.
jesus that's like 6" of bb dropThe Curve Titanosaur is the 36er They Hope No One Will Buy - BIKEPACKING.com
Designed specifically to tackle the rough Australian Outback, the Curve Titanosaur has 36" wheels, loads of mounts, goes fast, and they secretly hope no one will want to buy one. Find the detailed story behind the Titanosaur here, as told by Curve Cycling's Grand Ambassador Ryan Flinn...bikepacking.com
you get what you ask for
i have 28 spoke wheels on my scott spark. i was skeptical but they have held up.24 spokes
No body reads that right? I mean how can you when the article title is white on a white background.The Curve Titanosaur is the 36er They Hope No One Will Buy - BIKEPACKING.com
Designed specifically to tackle the rough Australian Outback, the Curve Titanosaur has 36" wheels, loads of mounts, goes fast, and they secretly hope no one will want to buy one. Find the detailed story behind the Titanosaur here, as told by Curve Cycling's Grand Ambassador Ryan Flinn...bikepacking.com
you get what you ask for
I had a 36er bb drop is huge, makes you feel really in the bike when you turn.jesus that's like 6" of bb drop
you have the weirdest bikesI had a 36er bb drop is huge, makes you feel really in the bike when you turn.View attachment 147722
You forgot in there somewhere.you have the weirdest bikes
No toe overlap, maybe the picture is deceiving, but the front wheel is way out there.You forgot in there somewhere.
For a bike to just shit around on or for having in the shed, thats pretty cool. And a dropper post on it?
How do you turn on that thing without your feet hitting the front tire?
This, I agree with wider hubs. We had 150mm for forever. And 32 spokes is king. Because you can still get home if you break one.32 shall be the number and the number shall be 32*
* Unless you are a hard-charging clyde; if so....
36 shall be the number and the number shall be 36.
I've gotten home on a broken 28 spoke setThis, I agree with wider hubs. We had 150mm for forever. And 32 spokes is king. Because you can still get home if you break one.
It's actually impeccable logic (from I9 at least). 24 spoke hubs and rims cost less to make than 28 or 32 hole versions (fewer machining operations), and will break more often (repeat sales). All they have to do is get their marketing department to throw the word "compliance" around a bit, and dirt roadies buying Pivots will slurp that shit up.Make the hub wider for better bracing angle in order to achieve stiffer, stronger wheels, then remove some spokes to make more compliant weaker wheels, logic!
Industry Nine Adds 24 Spoke SuperBoost Hubs to Their System Wheel Range - Pinkbike
Industry Nine has updated their range of 24 spoke System wheels with a new SuperBoost option.m.pinkbike.com
of all the nonsense the industry lizards put out, 24 spoke wheels is on the less nonsensical end of things. plenty of people that don't ride super hard or aren't super heavy will have 0 issues with these as a result of having another 4 fewer spokes.It's actually impeccable logic (from I9 at least). 24 spoke hubs and rims cost less to make than 28 or 32 hole versions (fewer machining operations), and will break more often (repeat sales). All they have to do is get their marketing department to throw the word "compliance" around a bit, and dirt roadies buying Pivots will slurp that shit up.
Then they can use that extra cash to keep on making actually durable hubs and rims for the rest of us.
Other question for the masses:
I am not small, nor am I large (about sample size for men, slightly taller than average). I don't think my hips or knees are fucked up, but every time I ride a superboost bike my heels rub on the frame. I barely clear the stays on my standard boost bikes, and it seems that extra few milimeters is too far. Anyone else have this issue?
should look like that:No body reads that right? I mean how can you when the article title is white on a white background.
I had drop bars on it for a time, wish I didn't sell it.
Or many of my other bikes.
I think you are missing the point, it's not that 28 or 24 spokes necessarily bad, it's using them in an application where were told "we need to make this wider for the spoke angle blah blah blah, so it can be stiffer", and then they go back and decrease the spoke count to make their 30lb super-boost bike lighter and cheaper...and the whole "wheel stiffness boost important buy buy buy" thing goes out the window. I built 28 spoke wheels for XC racing. I wouldn't have an issue with maybe 24 or 24 up front for the same reason, but just slapping them on every bike reeks of BS. Pivot loves to hype up Superboost and tell people IT'S STIFFER. Well, that kind of defies physics when you make something wider, so you have to beef the frame up first of all (make it heavier) and then with wheels, it's not so simple, yes the hub shell is wider, but as mentioned, the spoke angles and more symmetrical tension are benefits. So maybe you "can" build a stiffer wheel...but when you then remove a bunch of spokes we all have to wonder what the hell the point was in the beginning? It's similar to how Pivot hyped up BB92 and how important all that shit was, then they turn around and install 30mm-spindle cranks, rather than the 24mm that the entire standard was designed for. It's this kind of fuckery that we are fed up with. If you are going to make new standards, then take advantage of them, don't just use them as a means to package the same old, or worse, shit.of all the nonsense the industry lizards put out, 24 spoke wheels is on the less nonsensical end of things. plenty of people that don't ride super hard or aren't super heavy will have 0 issues with these as a result of having another 4 fewer spokes.
i've got a set of taiwainese factory wheels on my trail bike. 28 spokes (bladed spokes no less) and have ridden them fairly hard over the time ive had them (given their intended XC use), which has been at least 8 years without even needing truing. plus i'm about 220 geared up. i actually bought them from woody because he thought they were too light.
Or more. I've only broken two spokes I can recall in the last year and half or so, but both were on rides and pretty much non-events due to both being 32 spoke wheelsets. Even if you break one, or maybe even a couple, you probably won't have some real nasty wobble and cascading effects, but 24? Maybe, but that would put me much more into "survival" mode on a ride.This, I agree with wider hubs. We had 150mm for forever. And 32 spokes is king. Because you can still get home if you break one.
Have you ridden an i9 system wheel?I think you are missing the point, it's not that 28 or 24 spokes necessarily bad, it's using them in an application where were told "we need to make this wider for the spoke angle blah blah blah, so it can be stiffer", and then they go back and decrease the spoke count to make their 30lb super-boost bike lighter and cheaper...and the whole "wheel stiffness boost important buy buy buy" thing goes out the window. I built 28 spoke wheels for XC racing. I wouldn't have an issue with maybe 24 or 24 up front for the same reason, but just slapping them on every bike reeks of BS. Pivot loves to hype up Superboost and tell people IT'S STIFFER. Well, that kind of defies physics when you make something wider, so you have to beef the frame up first of all (make it heavier) and then with wheels, it's not so simple, yes the hub shell is wider, but as mentioned, the spoke angles and more symmetrical tension are benefits. So maybe you "can" build a stiffer wheel...but when you then remove a bunch of spokes we all have to wonder what the hell the point was in the beginning? It's similar to how Pivot hyped up BB92 and how important all that shit was, then they turn around and install 30mm-spindle cranks, rather than the 24mm that the entire standard was designed for. It's this kind of fuckery that we are fed up with. If you are going to make new standards, then take advantage of them, don't just use them as a means to package the same old, or worse, shit.
Like I said, there are many dipshit ways to build a wheel. Give me 32 steel spokes. I have no idea if I've ridden one, probably, but I don't think I've checked the hub/spokes of every bike I"ve ridden in that way.Have you ridden an i9 system wheel?
I'll take that as a no, because they are not built with j bend or traditional straight pull spokes, they are thick machined alloy spokes and you'd sure as shit know if you'd ridden them.Like I said, there are many dipshit ways to build a wheel. Give me 32 steel spokes. I have no idea if I've ridden one, probably, but I don't think I've checked the hub/spokes of every bike I"ve ridden in that way.
How would I know? Yes, I've known they are straight pull aluminum spokes since...they came out. I've ridden a lot of bikes and likely some I9 wheels in there somewhere.I'll take that as a no, because they are not built with j bend or traditional straight pull spokes, they are thick machined alloy spokes and you'd sure as shit know if you'd ridden them.
i distinctly remember a good number of them exploding at DH races because they were too stiff. 24 spokes for non DH applications will be fine for most riders.How would I know? Yes, I've known they are straight pull aluminum spokes since...they came out. I've ridden a lot of bikes and likely some I9 wheels in there somewhere.
super boost 157 is the same flange spacing as 150mm hubs, no?Super boost and 24 spokes is stupid
I9 does a whole line of J-Bend steel spoke wheels using both alloy and crabon rims.I'll take that as a no, because they are not built with j bend or traditional straight pull spokes, they are thick machined alloy spokes and you'd sure as shit know if you'd ridden them.
yes i know will do but everyone is clutching their pearls over the super boost 157 system wheels now being offered in a 24 spoke flavor.
super boost 157 is the same flange spacing as 150mm hubs, no?
your chart neglects to include the one standard i mentioned in reference
Super Boost Plus 157 rear axle standard – is it here to stay?
Super Boost Plus is the latest standard for rear axle spacing. We go into detail and explain the pros, cons and tech facts to find out if it’s here to stay.enduro-mtb.com
One could extrapolate from the 157 mm dh spacing that no, flange spacing isn’t the same. Super Boost is better.your chart neglects to include the one standard i mentioned in reference
one does not simply extrapolate hub standardsOne could extrapolate from the 157 mm dh spacing that no, flange spacing isn’t the same. Super Boost is better.