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toodles

ridiculously corgi proportioned
Aug 24, 2004
5,855
5,226
Australia
maybe it's an anti-theft technique?
I'm sure I've mentioned this before but the old bike shop I went to as a grom had a few bikes permanently parked in the alley out back for Friday beer challenges. One had set of cogs the bars turned the opposite way to the wheel, another had a pivot in the middle of the frame and fixed bars/steerer so you turned the bike by pivoting the bike in the centre, and another had a drive system that instead of pedals consisted of two platforms you pushed up and down like a stepping machine.

Anyway, one Friday night some drunks or whatever tried to steal them and the shop employees recovered them all in various walking distances of the store where they'd been dumped as the thieves gave up trying to ride the awful bloody things.
 

SylentK

Turbo Monkey
Feb 25, 2004
2,645
1,094
coloRADo
$35 for a tube?!

Better last longer than 6 regular tubes.

I like the idea, (thin, compact, light, supposedly stronger) but if that's the only tube I have and bros are like "You gotta tube?" I'll be saying NO. Or give me $40. :D

 

Leafy

Monkey
Sep 13, 2019
637
410
$35 for a tube?!

Better last longer than 6 regular tubes.

I like the idea, (thin, compact, light, supposedly stronger) but if that's the only tube I have and bros are like "You gotta tube?" I'll be saying NO. Or give me $40. :D

You can buy today urethane tubes for cheap from aliexpress. Or from more brands in 700c for the roadies.
 

vivisectxi

Monkey
Jan 14, 2021
517
618
yeast van
I'm sure I've mentioned this before but the old bike shop I went to as a grom had a few bikes permanently parked in the alley out back for Friday beer challenges. One had set of cogs the bars turned the opposite way to the wheel, another had a pivot in the middle of the frame and fixed bars/steerer so you turned the bike by pivoting the bike in the centre, and another had a drive system that instead of pedals consisted of two platforms you pushed up and down like a stepping machine.

Anyway, one Friday night some drunks or whatever tried to steal them and the shop employees recovered them all in various walking distances of the store where they'd been dumped as the thieves gave up trying to ride the awful bloody things.
damn, that sounds like our ship bitd. we had both a swing bike (the mid pivot thing) and a reverse steering bike. swing bike was kinda fun carving around on, but the reverse steer was impossible (for me) to wrap my head around. ie, how to look completely drunk on a bike - even when sober.
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
20,184
10,714
AK
$35 for a tube?!

Better last longer than 6 regular tubes.

I like the idea, (thin, compact, light, supposedly stronger) but if that's the only tube I have and bros are like "You gotta tube?" I'll be saying NO. Or give me $40. :D

A lot of the people that bought them as spares are finding out theyve broken/wont hold air when comes time to use.
 

slimshady

¡Mira, una ardilla!
You can buy today urethane tubes for cheap from aliexpress. Or from more brands in 700c for the roadies.
I've used the FOSS ones back in the day, for XC racing. Great puncture resistance, ridiculous weight, cheap, and you can patch them with a match/lighter in a pinch, but they stretch over time if youy inflate them out of the tire (like when looking for a puncture to patch), so they become thinner and easier to puncture.
 

konifere

Monkey
Dec 20, 2021
607
753
$35 for a tube?!

Better last longer than 6 regular tubes.

I like the idea, (thin, compact, light, supposedly stronger) but if that's the only tube I have and bros are like "You gotta tube?" I'll be saying NO. Or give me $40. :D

FWIW, I've been running one on the front of my bike for 3 years and never had any trouble. No sealant to deal with, no flats, stays inflated, but I don't remember the last time I had a front flat. From Germany, it was like 26$usd at the time, so the expense was worth it in my opinion.
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
20,184
10,714
AK
Or buy 2 tubeless shrader valves for $5


sorry if they don't have any aluminuim or titanium or carbon fibre or come in pointless anodised colours
Who the fuck is Joe though? Does he know Stan? Is he friends with MySpace Tom? These are questions that need answers.
 

Gary

my pronouns are hag/gis
Aug 27, 2002
8,525
6,431
UK
Oh. Stan sells 'em too. At 3 times the price.
Joe knows Stan. Stan lives in a wealthier area and doesn't admit to knowing Joe.
MyspaceTom owns entire wealthy areas and feels similarly about knowing Stan
 

konifere

Monkey
Dec 20, 2021
607
753
Am I the only one who has been using Lezyne pumps with the flexhose for 15 years without any issue or valve core unthreading? I find that the hose is perfect to not yank on the valve with the pump head and keeps them in one piece.

edit: damn! Wrong pump/valve thread!!
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
20,184
10,714
AK
Yes, no matter how tight i make the valve core, if I continue to use that kind of pump, it will unscrew at some point IME. That pump IS significantly higher volume IME, but that doesnt make it perfect.
 

Electric_City

Torture wrench
Apr 14, 2007
2,057
789
Looking back at brands years ago, we had ingenuity, new ideas, design and of course, marketing. But every brand aimed to make something different. All bikes stood out. You could look at a Ventana and know it's not a BMW. A GT I-Drive wasn't at all like a Chumba. Nor was a Demo confused with a Mongoose. Every manufacturer was different in many ways.

Not so today. How many different ways can you manufacture the same bike and call it different?

I just looked up Deviate and saw their frame only is $3600. Next to it are Forbidden, Canyon and other frames for sale. The Forbidden is $3500.

For what? A bicycle frame that's no better and only slightly different than other frames?

Even though a dentist can afford these bikes, a dentist can also afford a $400 bike. But not many can afford a $4000 frame. Even those of us who have been involved for 3+ decades are starting to look away from bikes cause of this.

I understand that everything is out of control anymore. But the industry is just pricing average Joe's out of the industry really.
 

StiHacka

Compensating for something
Jan 4, 2013
21,560
12,508
In hell. Welcome!
Looking back at brands years ago, we had ingenuity, new ideas, design and of course, marketing. But every brand aimed to make something different. All bikes stood out. You could look at a Ventana and know it's not a BMW. A GT I-Drive wasn't at all like a Chumba. Nor was a Demo confused with a Mongoose. Every manufacturer was different in many ways.

Not so today. How many different ways can you manufacture the same bike and call it different?

I just looked up Deviate and saw their frame only is $3600. Next to it are Forbidden, Canyon and other frames for sale. The Forbidden is $3500.

For what? A bicycle frame that's no better and only slightly different than other frames?

Even though a dentist can afford these bikes, a dentist can also afford a $400 bike. But not many can afford a $4000 frame. Even those of us who have been involved for 3+ decades are starting to look away from bikes cause of this.

I understand that everything is out of control anymore. But the industry is just pricing average Joe's out of the industry really.
Just like cars, phones, homes, computers, .... the design has matured.
 

buckoW

Turbo Monkey
Mar 1, 2007
3,839
4,881
Champery, Switzerland
Looking back at brands years ago, we had ingenuity, new ideas, design and of course, marketing. But every brand aimed to make something different. All bikes stood out. You could look at a Ventana and know it's not a BMW. A GT I-Drive wasn't at all like a Chumba. Nor was a Demo confused with a Mongoose. Every manufacturer was different in many ways.

Not so today. How many different ways can you manufacture the same bike and call it different?

I just looked up Deviate and saw their frame only is $3600. Next to it are Forbidden, Canyon and other frames for sale. The Forbidden is $3500.

For what? A bicycle frame that's no better and only slightly different than other frames?

Even though a dentist can afford these bikes, a dentist can also afford a $400 bike. But not many can afford a $4000 frame. Even those of us who have been involved for 3+ decades are starting to look away from bikes cause of this.

I understand that everything is out of control anymore. But the industry is just pricing average Joe's out of the industry really.
Buy used?
 

norbar

KESSLER PROBLEM. Just cause
Jun 7, 2007
11,503
1,719
Warsaw :/
Looking back at brands years ago, we had ingenuity, new ideas, design and of course, marketing. But every brand aimed to make something different. All bikes stood out. You could look at a Ventana and know it's not a BMW. A GT I-Drive wasn't at all like a Chumba. Nor was a Demo confused with a Mongoose. Every manufacturer was different in many ways.

Not so today. How many different ways can you manufacture the same bike and call it different?

I just looked up Deviate and saw their frame only is $3600. Next to it are Forbidden, Canyon and other frames for sale. The Forbidden is $3500.

For what? A bicycle frame that's no better and only slightly different than other frames?

Even though a dentist can afford these bikes, a dentist can also afford a $400 bike. But not many can afford a $4000 frame. Even those of us who have been involved for 3+ decades are starting to look away from bikes cause of this.

I understand that everything is out of control anymore. But the industry is just pricing average Joe's out of the industry really.
The lack of difference stems from the fact people actually know what they are doing and we have narrowed down designs that work. I don't think variety for the sake of variety is nice. Do you really want Santa Cruz still designing leverage curves that make no sense? Mongoose offering shit suspension? Spec still pretending no rearward travel is the bestest when it isnt?

I am also mad about the industry catering more and more to upper middle class men over 40 living in developed countries but that's just the pricing. I'm not mad about more bikes being good. It's way harder to buy a bike that rides horribly in 2022 than in 2007. Sure some of them still crack or have horrible customer service but at least design wise we are miles ahead (I'd still say my perfect enduro bike doesn't exist but I also know I'm weird and what I need is just a cross between a few bikes currently available)