This is what's wrong with The Industry™
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Normally a 4mm covers most of that, maybe a 5. Was there a 3 or 6? Where?
At least they didn't throw a Torx in like some do now...
Nothing like having to carry a full set of metric allen keys, a set of torx keys, a 15mm spanner, an imperial allen key set, some multi grips, a pipe wrench and a set of security bits just in case you hit a tree and twist your bars and need to work on the bike mid-ride.
A multi tool is besides the point. Plus when those tools get big, they start to weight a lot.
The bigger issue is why do brands not use the same fastener sizes for the same type of clamps? Shimano for example uses 4mm on some a 5mm on others. Sram uses 4mm, 5mm and some Torx for good measure. Why?
Same thing for a stem. Make all the bolts the same damn size on one stem. Don't make the face plate bolts 4mm and the steer tube ones 5mm. Blargh.
The bigger issue is why do brands not use the same fastener sizes for the same type of clamps? Shimano for example uses 4mm on some a 5mm on others. Sram uses 4mm, 5mm and some Torx for good measure. Why?
Same thing for a stem. Make all the bolts the same damn size on one stem. Don't make the face plate bolts 4mm and the steer tube ones 5mm. Blargh.
Yeah, just prefer to keep them not too silly. A few key sizes is alright but why carry a mobile tool chest if you don't have to.
When I got old enough to work on my bikes I started to carry a 6" version of one of these in my back pocket tied to my jeans with a piece of string. This would be about 1973. It covered everything on the bike, outside of spoke tension and chains.
Seems we have made things more complicated than they need to be.
I too would be happy with one or two allen/torx key sizes.
There is no reason this could not be done.
/coolstorybro
Just waiting for teh Fancies...
<Edit> as @Jm_ pointed out, you can do spokes, but it is a long slow tedious process when you have minimal wrench swing and a propensity to round off nipples if you do not readjust every swing of the wrench, and even then there is enough slop in the mech to round them off anyway. Usually faster to walk out.
Seems we have made things more complicated than they need to be.
I too would be happy with one or two allen/torx key sizes.
There is no reason this could not be done.
/coolstorybro
Just waiting for teh Fancies...
<Edit> as @Jm_ pointed out, you can do spokes, but it is a long slow tedious process when you have minimal wrench swing and a propensity to round off nipples if you do not readjust every swing of the wrench, and even then there is enough slop in the mech to round them off anyway. Usually faster to walk out.
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Well technically it could handle spoke tension…When I got old enough to work on my bikes I started to carry a 6" version of one of these in my back pocket tied to my jeans with a piece of string. This would be about 1975. It covered everything on the bike, outside of spoke tension and chains.
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Seems we have made things more complicated than they need to be.
I too would be happy with one or two allen/torx key sizes.
There is no reason this could not be done.
/coolstorybro
Just waiting for teh Fancies...
What bikes use imperial hex bolts? Serious question.
The fact that people are posting 2023 team rumours into the 2022 thread 
I'm trying to recycle threads. Not one of you "use for one year and discard" people. No wonder the environment is stuffedThe fact that people are posting 2023 team rumours into the 2022 thread
Pretty much any of them if you're a hack.
Imperial ones, obviously!
Thanks, I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress!
Pick a bolt and be a dick about it.
Axtually, you'd be doing us all a favor....
It is getting a little out of hand.
I don't mind carrying ONE multitool. But if one bike has all the torx and hex? That's just bad/over complicated design. IMHO
Axtually, you'd be doing us all a favor....
It is getting a little out of hand.
I don't mind carrying ONE multitool. But if one bike has all the torx and hex? That's just bad/over complicated design. IMHO
Last sae/imperial size fastener I can remember on a bike was the allen head bolts on my bullseye cranks. Man, did I lovehate those cranks…
I vaguely remember having a Blackspire chainguide with a mix of metric and imperial bolts on it.
Funny, I think the ability to pare down the amount of tools I carry these days is something right with the industry.
How many of you complaining about this stuff have fitted a bunch of aftermarket parts on your rigs?
Also, if it's really an issue, how about swapping out the offending bits?
How many of you complaining about this stuff have fitted a bunch of aftermarket parts on your rigs?
Also, if it's really an issue, how about swapping out the offending bits?
Probably anything sram.
Seriously, to put a Sram rear derailleur on your bike you need a Torx, hex and a screwdriver. There's only 4 bolts and they fucked it up that bad.
Different product teams for each one of the derailleur's parts?
But now I need to carry and authentic mexican child in my pack for any trail side repairs.
over a long enough time period, eventually your entire bike will become gorilla tape.
Do I need sunblock for Gorilla tape?
it's funny-i rebuilt my rear wheel last week and the gorilla tape came off relatively easily; areas that didn't and left a bit of residue i figured just provided a bit more for the new tape to adhere to. tire holds air. seems good to me.
I've had some rims where the anodization was so smoothing fucking nothing would stick to it. any tape would slide into the center channel.
Come to think of it, I do remember needing an imperial sized allen key to work on some suspension stuff in the past. Damper internals and shit like that over the years. Its been awhile though.
There's still some imperial thread sizes on bikes but at this stage we're all used to those so I'd prefer they didn't change them for the sake of change at this point.
There's still some imperial thread sizes on bikes but at this stage we're all used to those so I'd prefer they didn't change them for the sake of change at this point.
A SPOILT whiney baby. GX and below use a 5mm hex@Gary called and said you're a big whiny baby