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Westy

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*cries in wait-a-while*

Lantana (a weed here) is more common, and just as gnarly but wait-a-while will nearly deglove a hand if you're not careful. I've got decent scars from getting little vines or tendrils snagged and then pulled through my fingers before I could stop.

I still haven't gotten brushguards or anything yet, but when I switched from Hopes to Dominions I noticed the brakes engaging the first few times I went too inside and dragged a bar end through a fern or bush.
I run my brakes pretty far inward to be much of a problem. I do punch trees on occasion but a flimsy plastic gard only supported on the inside isn't going to help much there.
 

toodles

ridiculously corgi proportioned
Aug 24, 2004
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I run my brakes pretty far inward to be much of a problem. I do punch trees on occasion but a flimsy plastic gard only supported on the inside isn't going to help much there.
Yeah they always look too flimsy to actually save a hand hey. I wonder how they work vs rocks and such, or if they're only any good on shrubbery (bring me a shrubbery!).

I hold onto the end of the bars like a moron despite breaking my pinkies. I've given up trying to learn and have now accepted my career as a hand model on OnlyFans is over.
 

SylentK

Turbo Monkey
Feb 25, 2004
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*cries in wait-a-while*

Lantana (a weed here) is more common, and just as gnarly but wait-a-while will nearly deglove a hand if you're not careful. I've got decent scars from getting little vines or tendrils snagged and then pulled through my fingers before I could stop.

I still haven't gotten brushguards or anything yet, but when I switched from Hopes to Dominions I noticed the brakes engaging the first few times I went too inside and dragged a bar end through a fern or bush.
There's a place down in southern Colorado that has a certain kind of cactus (walking sticks? I'll have to look it up), and some sweet singletrack. You will quickly remember to lean out of the fuck out of the way of these cactus (cacti?) :) It's so not cool.
 

toodles

ridiculously corgi proportioned
Aug 24, 2004
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There's a place down in southern Colorado that has a certain kind of cactus (walking sticks? I'll have to look it up), and some sweet singletrack. You will quickly remember to lean out of the fuck out of the way of these cactus (cacti?) :) It's so not cool.
I dunno what they're called but when I rode in Cadrona NZ the local guys told me that if I crashed to aim for the rocks rather than the spiky plants... Those little stabby bastards would mess you up. I can't imagine hitting a bloody cactus would be much fun
 

jstuhlman

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Dec 3, 2009
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I dunno what they're called but when I rode in Cadrona NZ the local guys told me that if I crashed to aim for the rocks rather than the spiky plants... Those little stabby bastards would mess you up. I can't imagine hitting a bloody cactus would be much fun
i had a buddy who lives near los angeles wreck off the trail and land in a giant patch of cactuses. had to roll / extricate himself out across them. that's a HELLZ NO from me.
 

6thElement

Schrodinger's Immigrant
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i had a buddy who lives near los angeles wreck off the trail and land in a giant patch of cactuses. had to roll / extricate himself out across them. that's a HELLZ NO from me.
Not as bad as cactus, but wife crashed into gorse a few months ago and her bike landed on top of her. She couldn't move until I came back and pulled her out, otherwise she was having to push back more into the thorns to try and get up.
 

Gary

my pronouns are hag/gis
Aug 27, 2002
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TBF I'd quite like to see Pidcock, Sagan and MvP and Gaze all join Nino and the other top XC boys on the first row... it might make for an actual interesting race.
The short track was absolutely gash to watch except for Pidcocks last 1990s duel/4X style descent.

[Edit] in reality this shady rule change only really affects the ;last 3 riders in row 5 and 3 riders from each row further back. Has anyone other than Pidcock ever podiumed from starting so far back in the grid as that at a mens Elite WC or WChamps race?
 
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6thElement

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TBF I'd quite like to see Pidcock, Sagan and MvP and Gaze all join Nino and the other top XC boys on the first row... it might make for an actual interesting race.
The short track was absolutely gash to watch except for Pidcocks last 1990s duel/4X style descent.

[Edit] in reality this shady rule change only really affects the ;last 3 riders in row 5 and 3 riders from each row further back. Has anyone other than Pidcock ever podiumed from starting so far back in the grid as that at a mens Elite WC or WChamps race?
Exactly.

I don't remember seeing a proper showdown between Nino, MvP and Pidcock so if this helps that, great.

*edit: given that MvP ramped himself in the Olympics.
 

iRider

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if they could only do a time based qualification event before the race to determine starting positions.
Or use the world ranking list that some on here thought was not important. Oh wait....now even the UCI thinks it is unnecessary, but only if you are a road racer. :disgust1:
 

Gary

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Nah. As Seth so eloquently points out. A Qualification event makes way more sense.as it'd be based on current form. World ranking is kinda irrelevant when you have riders who have been racing multi disciplines and XC racers who may have missed races through injury etc.

Why do mountainbike nerds get so butt hurt at the thought of roadies competing in mtb?
Half of the course is basically not far off a road criterium.
 

SylentK

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Yeah, agreed. Why not make a qualification? I don't care how many Tour De Frances you've competed in. Can you ride a bike on dirt? Do a drop? (looking at you Van Der Pole - lawn dart lord).

I'm cool with the competition crossing the disciplines, adds to the diversity and competitiveness. But let them at least "qualify".
 

Gary

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I don't care how many Tour De Frances you've competed in. Can you ride a bike on dirt? Do a drop? (looking at you Van Der Pole - lawn dart lord).
all 3 of them would Skool you on a WC XC course descent on an XC bike.
 

SylentK

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all 3 of them would Skool you on a WC XC course descent on an XC bike.
Meh. But an WC XC course is like a paved trail compared to my XC trails. We actually have rocks! and no berms! Oh the humanity! :D

Their little xc tires will not hold up here. Trust me. Not if you wanna go fast on a descent.
 

Gary

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But an WC XC course...
You're litterally argueing about qualifying criteria to a WC XC course :brow:

These boys basically live on a bike 365. not 10 fucking miles over a 5 hour day at the weekend with a week whopping on about all the GRARLY ROX you rode

FFS
 
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SylentK

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You're litterally argueing about qualifying criteria to a WC XC course :brow:

These boys basically live on a bike 365. not 10 fucking miles over a 5 hour day at the weekend with a week whopping about all the GRARLY ROX you rode

FFS

Yes FFS. Just make sure they can actually ride the track and not injure themselves. Hence the reference to VDP.

But they are also saying they deserve the "right" to front line start, basically from their road credentials. So the dudes that have been racing MTB all this time get a back seat? Because of the "road" discipline status of their competitors? Meh. That's not really mountain biking to me. It is "cycling" but not MTB.

I'm gonna practice some turns in my driveway for when VDP shows up to show me how to ride my local XC. :D
 

iRider

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Just came back from a ride. MvdP out with a crash? Cannot be, he is this amazing bike rider that can ride circles around Schurter et al. :rolleyes:
 

Gary

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But they are also saying they deserve the "right" to front line start, basically from their road credentials.
You just made that up mate!
So the dudes that have been racing MTB all this time get a back seat? Because of the "road" discipline status of their competitors? Meh.
Hardly... Except for Gaze those dudes are mainly mid pack no hopers at World Champs and been moved back 3 places. which equates to one row for a third of them.
That's not really mountain biking to me. It is "cycling" but not MTB.
Why are you commenting on it like you know anything about it then?

I'm gonna practice some turns in my driveway for when VDP shows up to show me how to ride my local XC.
:D
You should also invite Jnr XC mtb World Champion Peter.

 

Bikael Molton

goofy for life
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Wasn’t the entire XC discipline started in the 80s to provide a venue for aspiring roadies who couldn’t hack it in top level road racing?

Let the dirt roadies have it.
 

Bikael Molton

goofy for life
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PS - I think Greg Lemond was cool, but his TdF win (and the roadies who run the indistry) contributed to shit road-based geometry and other nonsensical design choices in mountain bikes for the ensuing 30 years.
 

slimshady

¡Mira, una ardilla!
Wasn’t the entire XC discipline started in the 80s to provide a venue for aspiring roadies who couldn’t hack it in top level road racing?

Let the dirt roadies have it.
We have "rural bike" races down here. Essentially 29" MTBs with 1.5-1.9 tires, 48t chainrings, 11-23 cassettes and slammed stems for the washed out roadies who can't win anything on road bikes. They race on country roads and avoid mud and jumps like the plague. Their usual pedaling cadence is 60-70 PPM.

FML.
 

Gary

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FWIW
MVP was there with the dream to try to make history in winning multiple discipline (road, CX and mtb) World Champ titles in the one season.
Pidcock DID actually win! from a massively disavantageous 5 th row starting grid position. with a fucked rear mech for the last couple of laps
Peter only turned up as since retiring from road he's returning to XC and campaigning for selection to represent his country in the next Olympics. and was never really in with a shout for troubling the medal table.

IMO Gaze was the only rider in contention to be disadvantaged by the UCI's last minute rule change. But even then it left him in a grid position with a fair fight against Pidcock
 
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Gary

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Wasn’t the entire XC discipline started in the 80s to provide a venue for aspiring roadies who couldn’t hack it in top level road racing?
No. CX was already very well established.

The wealth of knowledge of "cycling" on here is outstanding
 

Gary

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It must be so wierd to think this is some kind insult

WC XC descent :rofl:
not anywhere as weird as thinking being brought back to the reality of not being as good as a world champ at their own sport is an insult.

it might just blow your mind when you find out there are road descents in the Grand tours.
 

Gary

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Playing the Game is actually alright once you get past the frustration point of the learning curve. My Grandad was good at it so I played a little as a child.
The "rules", BS and it's fanatics are fairly similar to "cyclists" meh
 
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kidwoo

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Then why the fuck are you bothering to comment on it lol.

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chastise me for chastising the guy chastising the guy talking about "cycling" history in the dh forum?


this place is rotten to the core

yes grand road race tour descents on road bikes on pavement are infinitely fascinating and we should definitely make sure the topic is well covered in the downhill forum


what crotch butter you using these days?