[Subversion_Garage]

Damn... and here I was about to order a couple pairs of shorts from them. Super cheap compared to prices here.

You would probably be fine if they are actually in stock.

My problem was I had ordered a set of brakes, and various other items related to said brakes (shipping to the USA, and I wanted to get everything from one place). My ship date kept getting pushed back despite being told that my brakes were in stock, but coming from "the warehouse". I specifically told them not to send an incomplete order and was assured that would not happen. Of course, the order shipped without the brake set, and I had to order them elsewhere.

 

[norbar]

PON holdings is one of the “big four” (Trek, specialized, giant, PON) bike companies in the US In terms of sales. They are the owners of Santa Cruz, cervello, cannondale, GT, Schwinn (lol, talk about a fall from grace) and many others in the commuter/hybrid market.

Ah. Yeah I know remember. Old Paccific/Dorrel.

 

[Flo33]

Ah. Yeah I know remember. Old Paccific/Dorrel.

Pon holdings is family owned, btw. A bit different to the other biz catastrophes mentioned here.

 

[norbar]

Pon holdings is family owned, btw. A bit different to the other biz catastrophes mentioned here.

So is Walmart. I don't think it matters if the dickheads at the top are blood related or just randomly occuring.

 

[Redwood Mulch Chucker]

Sometimes family owned is much worse.

In the case of Maico, family ownership killed what was by far the best dirt bike and moto company at the time.

 

[norbar]

Sometimes family owned is much worse.

In the case of Maico, family ownership killed what was by far the best dirt bike and moto company at the time.

I'd argue it's much worse to work for as usually means the people at the top want to keep workflows from the time the company office could fit in a shed. So when the company grows the workflows stay the same and everything happens super slow, people are overworked and make shit decisions because of that and fear of risk since the bosses need to approve every tiny bs thing. When a company brags about not "being a corporation" it's a fucking huge red flag for me as that usually means it's a shitshow.

 

[toodles]

I'd argue it's much worse to work for as usually means the people at the top want to keep workflows from the time the company office could fit in a shed. So when the company grows the workflows stay the same and everything happens super slow, people are overworked and make shit decisions because of that and fear of risk since the bosses need to approve every tiny bs thing. When a company brags about not "being a corporation" it's a fucking huge red flag for me as that usually means it's a shitshow.

Yep, plus they usually have a few higher ups that should have been performance managed out but they're someone's kid or relative so they're left to poison a department. Family owned is a huge red flag I reckon.

 

[sethimus]

what about rider owned?

 

[jstuhlman]

what about rider owned?

only if it's 4lyf

 

[sethimus]

gg wasn’t

 

[dump]

Running a business over a long period of time is hard.

 

[Flo33]

I'd argue it's much worse to work for as usually means the people at the top want to keep workflows from the time the company office could fit in a shed. So when the company grows the workflows stay the same and everything happens super slow, people are overworked and make shit decisions because of that and fear of risk since the bosses need to approve every tiny bs thing. When a company brags about not "being a corporation" it's a fucking huge red flag for me as that usually means it's a shitshow.

I had completely different experiences. All the big corps I was working with or for all were really slow and sluggish when simple decisions had to be made. Every mid level manager was afraid and could name 5 process rules and procedures he had to oblige that simply led to stupendous long delays or best of all involvement of the legal department or external lawyers. Welcome to project time schedules exceeded by a factor of two. Complete different world to two major family owned businesses I worked with and am working right now where management employees are trusted, encouraged to take responsibility and are granted freedom to do it their way.

 

[toodles]

what about rider owned?

Means they start out making bikes that are awesome value and durable "by riders for riders" and then leverage to dentists and medical professionals

 

[kidwoo]

Means they start out making bikes that are awesome value and durable "by riders for riders" and then leverage to dentists and medical professionals

don't forget real estate influencers

 

[norbar]

I had completely different experiences. All the big corps I was working with or for all were really slow and sluggish when simple decisions had to be made. Every mid level manager was afraid and could name 5 process rules and procedures he had to oblige that simply led to stupendous long delays or best of all involvement of the legal department or external lawyers. Welcome to project time schedules exceeded by a factor of two. Complete different world to two major family owned businesses I worked with and am working right now where management employees are trusted, encouraged to take responsibility and are granted freedom to do it their way.

On one hand sure those corpos are sometimes slow but this (at least in my experience) meant no stupid overworking that happens when those family owned companies grow to near corporate sizes. Sure the work is slower but the fast work you get at family owned companies only works as long as those companies are small.

 

[canadmos]

Just noticed that Devinci no longer has the Wilson listed on their website.

 

[6thElement]

Just noticed that Devinci no longer has the Wilson listed on their website.

Thought they had their new Chainsaw thing instead?

 

[canadmos]

Thought they had their new Chainsaw thing instead?

It only has 170 or 180mm of rear travel so its not really a replacement for the Wilson.

 

[Electric_City]

Just noticed that Devinci no longer has the Wilson listed on their website.

Yeah, it's naow the Chainsaw. Plus it's made in Canada!

 

[sethimus]

DEEMAX DH YLW 29 - Mavic

Limited edition of the new Deemax DH celebrating the 25th anniversary of this iconic wheelset. Available in 29'' and 27.5''

www.mavic.com

28 spoke dh wheels

 

[iRider]

DEEMAX DH YLW 29 - Mavic

Limited edition of the new Deemax DH celebrating the 25th anniversary of this iconic wheelset. Available in 29'' and 27.5''

www.mavic.com

28 spoke dh wheels

No 26", no care.

 

[trib]

Garage Bunny - World's First Bunny Hop Trainer

Introducing the Garage Bunny, your ticket to mountain biking mastery! Ready to elevate your mountain biking skills to new heights?

ridelikeaninja.com

What’s wrong with stacking up some bricks and hopping over them? Do people need to be able to track their bunny hop progress to the half inch?
Do kerbs not exist anymore?

 

[kidwoo]

What’s wrong with stacking up some bricks and hopping over them? Do people need to be able to track their bunny hop progress to the half inch?
Do kerbs people with marketable skills to do something useful not exist anymore?

 

[Lelandjt]

Garage Bunny - World's First Bunny Hop Trainer

Introducing the Garage Bunny, your ticket to mountain biking mastery! Ready to elevate your mountain biking skills to new heights?

ridelikeaninja.com

What’s wrong with stacking up some bricks and hopping over them? Do people need to be able to track their bunny hop progress to the half inch?
Do kerbs not exist anymore?

Adult learners. Just a whole world of kookiness.

 

[rideit]

“SAY GOODBYE TO FEAR!!!!!”

 

[sethimus]

buy now and you get a riprow too FOR FREE

 

[trib]

You could buy a bmx or jump bike second hand for less than that contraption. And have waaaay more fun

 

[toodles]

You could buy a bmx or jump bike second hand for less than that contraption. And have waaaay more fun

To be fair, we could all buy coaching sessions that would make us far better riders but we choose Kashima and carbon parts.

 

[kidwoo]

To be fair, we could all buy coaching sessions that would make us far better riders but we choose Kashima and carbon parts.

yeah I see people like lee macormack and think "I bet I could learn a lot from that guy who never learned to ride for shit"

I definitely never think things like "poor guy has no marketable skills so makes shit up to take money from suckers"

 

[HardtailHack]

Garage Bunny - World's First Bunny Hop Trainer

Introducing the Garage Bunny, your ticket to mountain biking mastery! Ready to elevate your mountain biking skills to new heights?

ridelikeaninja.com

What’s wrong with stacking up some bricks and hopping over them? Do people need to be able to track their bunny hop progress to the half inch?
Do kerbs not exist anymore?

I had tomato stakes, some screws and a piece of bamboo but it only measured in two inch increments.
A laser, a receiver, an alarm and a smoke machine would be more fun than the one in the link.

 

[slimshady]

A laser, a receiver, an alarm and a smoke machine

So, you mean a German disco?

 

[two-one]

To be fair, we could all buy coaching sessions that would make us far better riders but we choose Kashima and carbon parts.

The problem is that its kind of hard to find real advanced riders that are actually capable in teaching those riding techniques.
Around here all fast riders don't have a clue what they're doing. No analytical mind at all.

 

[sethimus]

So, you mean a German disco?

strobe is sufficient, no need for fancy ass lasers

 

[Gary]

The problem is that its kind of hard to find real advanced riders that are actually capable in teaching those riding techniques.

It's kinda the opposite here in the UK. There are tons of ex pros coaching mtb full and part time all over the country. The issue I see all too often is NOT down to any lack of capability on the coaching side but lack of commitment on the side of the folk with "money for kashmina" who've booked themselves on a course expecting ONE afternoon's coaching session to hugely improve their riding when previously they've never spent even an hour practicing a skill and aren't prepared to follow up practicing or using any advice they've "learned" so go straight back to where they were previously. Infact. Many end up in a worse place entirely when they "think" they're doing what they were shown but in reality they're just riding around trying to adopt ugly new riding postures with poor timing and no real clue as to what they're doing wrong.
We do have a few companies with pretty shit riders coaching. But it's honestly not the norm.

 

[toodles]

The problem is that its kind of hard to find real advanced riders that are actually capable in teaching those riding techniques.
Around here all fast riders don't have a clue what they're doing. No analytical mind at all.

I reckon Ben Cathro would do a decent job just based on his ability to analyse shit in videos. Both Gwin and Barel have made comments during race commentary that make me realise just how much they pick up on as well.

Half the fuckin Youtubers though - dear god. "Double your corner speed with this one simple trick" Fucking muppets.

 

[Gary]

Ben was a skills coach
Sikskills was his company

 

[Gary]

Chris Ball was so a coach.
Dirtschool is/was his

 

[Gary]

Rhuaridh was also with dirtschool.
With Reece.
Innes too
And now Mark Scott I hear

 

[Gary]

@toodles

 

[trib]

It's kinda the opposite here in the UK. There are tons of ex pros coaching mtb full and part time all over the country. The issue I see all too often is NOT down to any lack of capability on the coaching side but lack of commitment on the side of the folk with "money for kashmina" who've booked themselves on a course expecting ONE afternoon's coaching session to hugely improve their riding when previously they've never spent even an hour practicing a skill and aren't prepared to follow up practicing or using any advice they've "learned" so go straight back to where they were previously. Infact. Many end up in a worse place entirely when they "think" they're doing what they were shown but in reality they're just riding around trying to adopt ugly new riding postures with poor timing and no real clue as to what they're doing wrong.
We do have a few companies with pretty shit riders coaching. But it's honestly not the norm.

hit the nail in the head with why most “crash courses” suck, it’s not the coaching, it’s the ability to actually work on yourself, take criticism, practice effectively and continue learning.

whether it’s bikes, cooking skills or spreadsheets, a 2hr lesson on its own does little to educate someone who has already developed bad habits