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Gary

my pronouns are hag/gis
Aug 27, 2002
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Why do you want your seat to move forward a lot when lowered?
I don't. I want it to move down directly in line with the BB. Which it does. Perfectly.
But...
Far Steeper seat angles (and longer reach (often too long) is the main reason short folk are all crying for a 200mm dropper these days when 150mm drop should be plenty. That and the stupid saddle nose pointed downwards epidemic
 
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Gary

my pronouns are hag/gis
Aug 27, 2002
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FWIW. I just prefer shorter REACH. Smaller wheels and shorter wheelbase bikes. They're just way MOAR fun for me as they pick up and pop with far less effort. But nowadays if you size down to get that maneuverability you end up too close the the stem when pedalling with the seatpost fully extended.
 

OGRipper

back alley ripper
Feb 3, 2004
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1,247
NORCAL is the hizzle
Counterpoint: Lots of folks don't want their butts way rearward over the rear axle when their post is fully extended. That's particularly true for those of us with longer legs for our overall height. (And yes, we can all move our seats fore and aft to adjust for an angle we don't love. But still.)

Also, how can you see my bald spot from way down there? Mirrors?
 

Gary

my pronouns are hag/gis
Aug 27, 2002
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With my miniscule 33" inseam even riding older geo smalls and Mediums didn't ever put my saddle position too rearward. The only bike I can think of that ever did was an over FORKED 2002 specialized SX. Which wasn't really designed for seated pedalling in the first place.
I also ride roadbikes and always have done so really dislike that steeper seat angles give you that feeling of pedalling from above the BB.
I do get why taller longer legged folk might prefer it but surely proportionally longer chainstays would have been something to look for too if you're in that quandry.
 

Gary

my pronouns are hag/gis
Aug 27, 2002
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Thinning hairlines actually look a lot like sunlight poking through cobwebs from below.
 

Lelandjt

adorbs
Apr 4, 2008
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Breckenridge, CO/Lahaina,HI
I don't. I want it to move down directly in line with the BB. Which it does. Perfectly.
I agree, but that's not what happens on this Stumpy frame. The seat tube is angled way forward of the BB. That used to be not just common, but unavoidable, and I hated it. Now everyone hates it so it's much rarer and worthy of ridicule when a frame makes this mistake.
 

norbar

KESSLER PROBLEM. Just cause
Jun 7, 2007
11,503
1,719
Warsaw :/
Those DT shocks were bad. The only one I had was a pull shock and the seals constantly failed. Since moving to Fox they've been good. There's nothing weird in the damper so they can be tuned like any other Fox shock. It's just got an extra air chamber that opens or closes with the lever.
Ah yes DT shocks. Do they still make them? I remember DT made a ton of crap products back in the day (including DT 6.1 rims which were the worst rim I ever had as my tire literally fell of my BRAND NEW 1 day old rim on a jump lip). Then again my father still runs another niche air shock from Magura on his 1998 Gary Fisher Joshua. No idea why it didn't explode yet.

PS. Fewer OEM only parts on this bike cafe from Spesh than on the stumpy:
 
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Gary

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Aug 27, 2002
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Didn't DT just purchase the suspension side of the UK company PACE cycles back then. Pace forks were pretty popular over here "Engineer" owned but kinda terrible to middling in design/performance .
 

slimshady

¡Mira, una ardilla!
Didn't DT just purchase the suspension side of the UK company PACE cycles back then. Pace forks were pretty popular over here "Engineer" owned but kinda terrible to middling in design/performance .
Exactly, DT Bought Pace and called the day off. Their first branded DT forks were pretty popular down here among the weight weenies, and they were only good as paperweights or wall art. Noodly AF, and would lock when side loaded due to torsion and bushing binding.
 

Gary

my pronouns are hag/gis
Aug 27, 2002
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Think yourselves lucky. In their early years PACE used a 4 bolt clamping face (similar to a stem front face) to hold their stanchions in the crown. And guess what? Clamped to correct torque it didn't clamp them tightly enough so any harsh bottom out and the stanchions were shot through the crown. Tighten it above spec and the stupidly thin plates stretched rendering it even MOAR useless.. They sold tons of those. Luckily mainly just to skinny XC dudes who basically rode what the hipsters now refer to as "gravel" .
 
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trib

not worthy of a Rux.
Jun 22, 2009
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Orange bikes saved from bankruptcy and their new launch is a bunch of bikes that seem to have learned nothing from market trends.

I used to love the look of Orange bikes in the 222 era, even Peatys barn door sized ones, but even with all that nostalgia their new bikes just look awful.
 

slimshady

¡Mira, una ardilla!
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Sandwich

Pig my fish!
Staff member
May 23, 2002
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All in all a good-fitting and well ventillated helmet that is manufactured correctly and replaced on time is probably a better choice than an expensive helmet with additional letters.

Personally I hate the business practices of MIPS and would prefer to avoid their helmonopoly, but literally every helmet has a MIPS system now and it certainly doesn't hurt performance (whether it helps or not I think is debatable).
 

slyfink

Turbo Monkey
Sep 16, 2008
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Ottawa, Canada
All in all a good-fitting and well ventillated helmet that is manufactured correctly and replaced on time is probably a better choice than an expensive helmet with additional letters.

Personally I hate the business practices of MIPS and would prefer to avoid their helmonopoly, but literally every helmet has a MIPS system now and it certainly doesn't hurt performance (whether it helps or not I think is debatable).
i watched this one yesterday: https://www.pinkbike.com/news/video-do-you-really-need-to-replace-your-helmet-after-every-crash-ben-cathro-investigates.html

I think the Bluegrass in-house testing showed that the MIPS system does indeed help. iirc, it reduced force to the brain by 50%...
 

William42

fork ways
Jul 31, 2007
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Lifetime warranties to the original owner only are a scam.

Make shit that works and guarantee it to anybody who's riding it. Bike industry knows the average new bike changes hands within a few years. The only need to make stuff last that long to offer a lifetime warranty.
 

Leafy

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Lifetime warranties to the original owner only are a scam.

Make shit that works and guarantee it to anybody who's riding it. Bike industry knows the average new bike changes hands within a few years. The only need to make stuff last that long to offer a lifetime warranty.
That and is an incentive to people buying new. I think SCs free pivots for life for original owners is enough of a bonus, as long as they’re easy to swap.
 

Gary

my pronouns are hag/gis
Aug 27, 2002
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Yeah. I know Westy. Most supermarkets sell a similarly priced cycle helmet which passes all the same safety standards as fucktard cycle nerd approved 500 buck helmets.
Ive never paid over 40 quid for a cycle helmet except full faces.
Road helmets take the piss even MOAR with their outlandish fake claims..
And don't get me started on the lie they peddle stating they all need replaced at a certain age. Even after hardly any use.
 

jrewing

Monkey
Aug 22, 2010
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Maydena Oz
Ive faced slammed a boulder and diidnt even touch the helmet, was lightly concussed. I tipped over in an MX race so slowly in a mips helmet, was lights out properly. Small crossrut off a slow double with a fluid-inside and same, lights out.
I rained from the clouds in a huge steep dirtjump when a huge gust took me, stoved my mips heltmet to pieces and had no issue, apart from whiplash and AC joint. Loads of highsides and earth/skies in all manor of helmets.
Ive determined the skulls a helmet, so putting the skull in a helmet is a huge help. And slow speed blunt hits are the worst.
Running a mouthgaurd is probably more useful than mips, fluid inside. I believe i wouldve been Ok if i had a mouthguard.

side note- partial knockouts/bell ringers are the worst long term affecting. Lights out is actually a defense mechanism.
Not crashing is the safest…
 

trib

not worthy of a Rux.
Jun 22, 2009
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But tbh just like with bikes in general, all the gear is so much better than 10 years ago, let alone 20.
Yeah but these new helmets which actually “protect your skull” will never look as cool as a D2. Damn kids and their concussion protocols.

The combo of tighter race gear and bigger, more robust helmets is really making today’s racers look like bobble heads.
 

slimshady

¡Mira, una ardilla!
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