This is what's wrong with The Industry™
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The bottom bracket is already low enough that my bash guard gets replaced bi-weekly.
I agree that you can find a good 26" cheap. But buying used is always a risk. I can get deals on new bikes through my association with a LBS, so buying new is my choice. Since no manufacturer is making 26" wheeled frames, it's kind of a "jump ship, or sink with it?" mentality, just like 26" XC or trail bikes. Tbh, I thought tire manufacturers ditched a lot of their 26" castings. Didn't they?
Maxxis makes most of their stuff in 26. They said they have no plans to stop making 26s either.
Schwalbe makes dirty dans and magic marys in 26, but only in proper casings and soft compound. Nothing else worth running from schwalbe anyway IME.
Don't know about other brands because those two are the most easily found round my parts.
Agree here. Most tires worth riding are still available in 26". However, LBS doesn't stock anything and the big online stores have a difficult time keeping tires in stock because of demand. It seems that the manufactures have either limited production or the stores don't get enough supply as they were used to buy up old OE stock.
DH-casing DHF is available (or was until recently - Maxxis dropped it from their web catalog) with 60A (?) single compound in 27.5x2.5. Maxxis' item # TB85976600
https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=95185
I have one, and mount it on my bike occasionally. Great on dirt and rocks, but I've had a terrifying moment on a dry (but may also have been dusty) wooden structure.
looks like maxxis are doing a wee bit of cleaning from their range
Griffin,Original highroller and DHR are gone from the dh sections I think some others too.
Don't remember seeing swampthings here before though, and they're in stock on the UK shop.
For reference, Maxxis uses a white "maxxis" patch for OE, vs yellow for aftermarket, which then also come with a tag and bag typically.....
Cant trust white label Maxxis
Are you sure on this? I bought a couple of times Maxxis tires with yellow labels that were just kept folded by clear tape or a zip tie. The aftermarket tires normally have this cardboard thingy that says which tire it is, which was missing on these.
I'd take that as the packaging was damaged or someone bought it and returned it.
Don‘t think so. Was relibly happening every time I ordered from the one online shop.
They are cheating. You CAN order yellow patch tires without the consumer packaging. Maxxis allows this but part of the agreement is that you don't sell them aftermarket.
So you ARE getting aftermarket tires, just a bit cheaper
I think you are mistaking the white patched tires for the yellow ones. In my experience, the yellow unpackaged tires usually come from big store build leftovers, such as the ones put up by Jenson with Banshee frames.
With regards to the white vs yellow tires and their qualities, in the downhill rubber thread it was mentioned the white ones were made of a hard, single compound IIRC.
They buy yellow patch on purpose. If they sold leftover white patch, it would be easier for Maxxis to bust them.
It's common for an OE product to be offered at a lower quality point than aftermarket.
Yellow vs White.
If it is not common knowledge amongst consumers and if this information is not easily available (which it appears it is not) then is it nothing more than bait and switch?
I agree. It's not always apparent to uninformed OE's either.
In other words, this information is not usually promoted. I learned a little of this after the first PB test of my bike and Xfusion apologized for giving me the OE version of the fork.......
I call shenanigans!!!
Not sure if this belongs in this thread, or the other thread. If it works flawlessly, I could see the utility...if not, creeping data overload alert?
https://www.quarq.com/tire-pressure-explained/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-LSq392C3wIVegStBh2trQsKEAEYASAAEgKsE_D_BwE#sm.00009hf20zcq4ez0w5r1ixurg4kaq
https://www.quarq.com/tire-pressure-explained/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-LSq392C3wIVegStBh2trQsKEAEYASAAEgKsE_D_BwE#sm.00009hf20zcq4ez0w5r1ixurg4kaq
Never seen or ridden a white logo maxxis.
The OEMs on my Capra were yellow.
The OEMs on my Capra were yellow.
The Industry ™ wants you to pay a premium for something it's worth far less in other automotive media:
https://www.amazon.com/ZEEPIN-Universal-Monitoring-Real-time-Temperature/dp/B07H7BFCJ6?ref_=Oct_CABSellerC_2201763011_1&pf_rd_p=34678462-5668-5d59-baa1-7a0359cd035f&pf_rd_s=mobile-hybrid-5&pf_rd_t=30901&pf_rd_i=2201763011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=9FR4FAMKHK8AXM2D5DGZ&th=1&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07DVF9C1Y/ref=sspa_mw_detail_0?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B076DTN3GD/ref=psdcmw_2201764011_t1_B07DVF9C1Y
I think the marketing copy on the quarckq site was written by a low-end computer.
Here is another example - From emptybeer - regarding Fox shocks....
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"Thanks for this... I decided just to call Fox directly and get the real scoop. I didn't know this, maybe most you did, but for those who don't here you go. There are actually 3 versions of this shock, all 3 are available for manufacturers to spec on their new bikes, only the 1 version (Factory) is available aftermarket:
1. DPX2 Performance - 3 setting switch (open, medium, firm), no LSC adjustment, no kashima coat.
2. DPX2 Performance Elite - 3 setting switch (open, medium, firm) and 10 clicks of LSC adjustment, no kashima coat.
3. DPX2 Factory - 3 setting switch (open, medium, firm) and 10 clicks of LSC adjustment and kashima coat.
Sorry for derailing this thread, we may now return to our regularly scheduled Knolly love fest programming ;-)"
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Nice thing about this bullshit is only the DPX2 Factory is listed on the website, the others appear to be phantoms to the general public.
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"Thanks for this... I decided just to call Fox directly and get the real scoop. I didn't know this, maybe most you did, but for those who don't here you go. There are actually 3 versions of this shock, all 3 are available for manufacturers to spec on their new bikes, only the 1 version (Factory) is available aftermarket:
1. DPX2 Performance - 3 setting switch (open, medium, firm), no LSC adjustment, no kashima coat.
2. DPX2 Performance Elite - 3 setting switch (open, medium, firm) and 10 clicks of LSC adjustment, no kashima coat.
3. DPX2 Factory - 3 setting switch (open, medium, firm) and 10 clicks of LSC adjustment and kashima coat.
Sorry for derailing this thread, we may now return to our regularly scheduled Knolly love fest programming ;-)"
/Endquote
Nice thing about this bullshit is only the DPX2 Factory is listed on the website, the others appear to be phantoms to the general public.
Pretty common. If you're buying hundreds of some shock SRAM/Fox will let you buy stuff the public can't.
For example my Capra came with a 222x66 Monarch with a reduced negative chamber and enlarged positive chamber. Try finding that size shock or that air can configuration anywhere else.
My Spartan came with the white lettering DHF/dhr2 and the aftermarket ones I have bought in recent times have all been yellow.
-Brett
That may be the case, and really I have no problem with it.
What frosts my flakes is that there is no easily available information on the "other" options.
If they had a section labeled - OEM shocks, with full details, then bitch and moaning over.
It is almost like they want the confusion. Don't they realize that for some basic punters that don't know any better will think their shitty "Blowhard" shock is the best "WindyFucker Enterprises" has to offer cause what looks the "same" on the website is the only thing with the same "name"
If you go to the Fox support site and put the 4-letter code printed on the shock there, it'll spit out the different base tune settings.
I have these. Been running them for like 4 months now. Def a tech gadget thing and totally not necessary, but pretty darn cool. It links to my wahoo bike computer and I can see my tire pressures in real time. I don't need a pressure gauge anymore, just air em up, then take them down to your desired pressure. You can even set pressure ranges, and if they fall out of the range, they will flash red, to indicate that.
Flawless so far, but time will tell. And yeah, they are expensive AF. So happy birthday/father's day/anniversary/chirstmas/easter/st. patrick's day to me!
Also, those guys who do the Park Tool videos did a bit of a review on them. They geeked out on the data. Kinda cool. If you're into that....
I suspect it's because they don't want people calling and trying to buy stuff they aren't selling every day
Or they could actually want the confusion. But I doubt it. More likely they would want Joe Blow to know there is a better after market shock than what he is riding. All he needs to do is pony up the cash!
You, me and the rest of the monkeys know this sort of stuff, but how long would it take a total noob to figure this out?
Unless he gets lucky with a forum hit when on the googlz it could be a bit frustrating trying to parse all of the chatter...
Yup, I agree totally. That is why you have an OEM section which clearly states available only on OEM bikes and don't bother calling us about buying one aftermarket.
If you want one buy a new bike or hit up teh PinkBike buy and sell and find yerselves a take off...
This is one of my pet hates. I've seen OEM price lists for shocks and the amount extra it costs a manufacturer to put a "good" shock versus a severly compromised one is three tenths of fuck all. Yet they do it, not to save the $17 and meet a pricepoint, but purely to make the top end models more attractive. Shocks are one of the more expensive things (after a fork) to upgrade aftermarket so save your money elsewhere and let everyone get the decent shock.
Whats actually worse is when companies do down spec shocks to sneakily save $12 here or there. Transition who normally were pretty good about speccing their bikes with decent suspension across the price points decided this year that the GX-version of their carbon Patrol get the cheaper DPX2 than the GX alloy buid kit does. The frame only and top spec X01 get the high end shock, but they pinched on the LSC adjuster for the carbon GX model even though it already costs thousands more than the alloy.
