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jackalope

jackalope

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Bum bags!? Are we talking man diapers? Body bags for homeless people? I need an Ozzy vernacular lesson - stat!

As for DH racing vs Endureau events, I'm more into option C: neither

But I'm always ready for out-country riding (new lizard term...use as you see fit) and proper lift assist DH runs on a proper DH bike, where the only thing that is contested is who gets the last beer.

As for things that the industry sucks at, I'm going with the fact that no one as made a slick looking crab0n kick stand...I mean we live in a world with crab0n linkage forks, exploding crab0n pedals, exploding crab0n cranks, crab0n steerer tube spacers, crab0n mag wheels, crab0n steering sticks that occasionally kill you - yet nary a crab0n kickstand. It would be endureau AF

(Says the guy that had his bike crash to ground after doing a shitty job of leaning it up next to the car)
 
jstuhlman

jstuhlman

bagpipe wanker
Dec 3, 2009
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jackalope said:
Bum bags!? Are we talking man diapers? Body bags for homeless people? I need an Ozzy vernacular lesson - stat!

As for DH racing vs Endureau events, I'm more into option C: neither

But I'm always ready for out-country riding (new lizard term...use as you see fit) and proper lift assist DH runs on a proper DH bike, where the only thing that is contested is who gets the last beer.

As for things that the industry sucks at, I'm going with the fact that no one as made a slick looking crab0n kick stand...I mean we live in a world with crab0n linkage forks, exploding crab0n pedals, exploding crab0n cranks, crab0n steerer tube spacers, crab0n mag wheels, crab0n steering sticks that occasionally kill you - yet nary a crab0n kickstand. It would be endureau AF

(Says the guy that had his bike crash to ground after doing a shitty job of leaning it up next to the car)
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you should probably ditch work and come to wilsons with me tomorrow. i’m planning on getting good and lost deep in the woods with nary a bum bag in sight but plenty of creek beers when we ultimately stumble back to the car.
 
jackalope

jackalope

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jstuhlman said:
you should probably ditch work and come to wilsons with me tomorrow. i’m planning on getting good and lost deep in the woods with nary a bum bag in sight but plenty of creek beers when we ultimately stumble back to the car.
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As much as I would like to witness your impending handlebar detonation, I'm goat roped at the gulag tomorrow. Try to enjoy yourself on your dumpy VPP bike, archaic cable actuated dropper post and unTRUSTworthy telescopic fork...
 
profro

profro

Turbo Monkey
Feb 25, 2002
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kidwoo said:
You want to see core? Watch this: I have no fucking clue what goes on in any upcoming or past enduro race because I don't look. Because it's stupid.
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I'll admit, enduro is the latest trend that has been made lame by trendy mountain bikers. I am repulsed by the "kits".
 
6thElement

6thElement

Schrodinger's Immigrant
Jul 29, 2008
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kidwoo said:
I don't pay attention to mountain biking right now because it's snowing like a motherfucker here.

but what's all that mess? A bolt on cassette? Bet that's nice and quiet in some dust or mud.
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Roadie front rings from the new SRAM Red AXS 12 speed, both rings machined from the same billet and when they wear out the power meter is toast too...SRAM will supposedly swap the worn out front rings for 50% off replacement...
 
William42

William42

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I mean, that's bad, but seriously, how frequently do you people wear out front chain rings? Are you running your chains for 10k miles before replacing them, so you're constantly on stretched chains or something?

I mean, I get it, that's a stupid design and its expensive and blahblahblah, but is it *really* that much of an issue? I guess I've just never worn out a front chainring before, and have 20k+ miles on some of them.
 
StiHacka

StiHacka

Compensating for something
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William42 said:
I mean, that's bad, but seriously, how frequently do you people wear out front chain rings? Are you running your chains for 10k miles before replacing them, so you're constantly on stretched chains or something?

I mean, I get it, that's a stupid design and its expensive and blahblahblah, but is it *really* that much of an issue? I guess I've just never worn out a front chainring before, and have 20k+ miles on some of them.
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None of the alloy 1x N/W 30-34 chainrings I've been riding on lately lasts longer than a season.
 
toodles

toodles

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Aug 24, 2004
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StiHacka said:
None of the alloy 1x N/W 30-34 chainrings I've been riding on lately lasts longer than a season.
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What brand are you running out of interest? I'm using the OneUp 1X chainrings and I put 9,000km on my first one and the second is at 3,600 and going strong.
 
StiHacka

StiHacka

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toodles said:
What brand are you running out of interest? I'm using the OneUp 1X chainrings and I put 9,000km on my first one and the second is at 3,600 and going strong.
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A mix - RF, Wolf tooth, MRP mostly.They start dropping chains before completely worn but I wore a few down completely. Wet rides + fine silt will do that.
 
toodles

toodles

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StiHacka said:
A mix - RF, Wolf tooth, MRP mostly.They start dropping chains before completely worn but I wore a few down completely. Wet rides + fine silt will do that.
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True. I run those little OneUp guides on my bikes so chain retention is less of an issue. Maybe I can get away with running them longer as a result.
 
OGRipper

OGRipper

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Meh. Been running SRAM or Raceface narrow wide rings without a chain guide for at least 5 years now. The rare - very rare - tossed chain is not enough for me to want to deal with a guide. I do swap my chains pretty often so as to put off the need to replace those expensive cassettes as long as possible, and better chain retention is probably a side benefit. It wouldn't work on a DH bike but for everything else, no problem for me.
 
Gary

Gary

my pronouns are hag/gis
Aug 27, 2002
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OGRipper said:
It wouldn't work on a DH bike
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you might be surprised.
Use a 5 speed close ratio cassette centred on the freehub for good chainline and the shorter chain and less chainline angle means you won't drop a chain on a DH bike either.
running my old session like this and never dropped the chain in use.
It doesn't even have a clutch mech.

Here https://ridemonkey.bikemag.com/threads/what-is-gary-up-to-a-time-travel-thread.278625/page-2#post-4257492

best thing about this set up is how clean everything stays in shitty conditions in comparison to a chainguide
 
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jackalope

jackalope

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I guess accumulating mud could be an issue (hasn't be for me fwiw), but the thing about a guide like the OneUp is it weighs almost nothing, super easy to set up and just flat works. It doesn't happen often, but there's definitely been times where it kept the chain on when it otherwise would've dropped. Just a personal policy, but 1 chain drop every 10,000 years is a little high for me.
 
Gary

Gary

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I have 2 one up top guides on 2 other bikes.
The Trek doesn't need it for the reasons stated above

not riding in mud probably means you'll never have experienced a chain riding up a chainring and off the teeth because of mud accumulation.
with no chainguide/backplate/bash this doesn't happen

I don't run no guide on that bike for weight saving reasons
 
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toodles

toodles

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OGRipper said:
The rare - very rare - tossed chain is not enough for me to want to deal with a guide.
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jackalope said:
Just a personal policy, but 1 chain drop every 10,000 years is a little high for me.
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I'm with Messer Jackalope. Dropping the chain at the wrong time has historically been either very frustrating, very expensive, very painful or very dangerous. Those little OneUp guides weigh like 30g and cost $50. I'm 100% in favour of them. Can't say they've been an issue for me on the muddy rides I've done but YMMV. Run what you want though - I had a buddy of mine lose his chain 4 out of 5 stages at a local race before he decided to get one.

There's still guys riding Rampage without chainguides though so what do i know.
 
jackalope

jackalope

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Gary said:
I have 2 one up top guides on 2 other bikes.
The Trek doesn't need it for the reasons stated above

not riding in mud probably means you'll never have experienced a chain riding up a chainring and off the teeth because of mud accumulation.
with no chainguide/backplate/bash this doesn't happen

I don't run no guide on that bike for weight saving reasons
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Well then don't ride in the mud...oh wait...you live in a peat bog the size of Indiana `:thumb:
 
Gary

Gary

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@toodles there are really good cheap copies of the One up guide on aliexpress for $10 posted worldwide so cost or weight shouldn't be an issue at all to anyone.
I still have the chainguide for the Trek I was going to fit if it turned out needing one. It hasn't. so i haven't.
 
dump

dump

Turbo Monkey
Oct 12, 2001
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Re: The imbalance between 180mm front and 0mm back. i.e. a hardtail with a 180mm fork.

The designer of said bike says it's an imagined issue, by people on the internet. He wrote this on the same said internet. This dentist doctor sounds like a fun guy to hang out with.
 
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