This is what's wrong with The Industry™
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How many people ride in WC XC?
How many people ride in grassroots XC races?
How many people ride in state and regional series XC?
How many people ride in endurance events (yes, these are XC races)?
Here in the US, many of the endurance races are linked or part of a series and there are pro categories for a reason.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the number of riders in the 3 bottom categories makes up 99.9% of XC racers.
Maybe where you race XC the races are "tame". That's not my experience with it. That's usually just a straw-man argument to rationalize lack of fitness-ability for that specific type of riding. More and more top XC racers are going with dropper posts, and that's not because the courses are "tame".
Again, this reeks of UCI homologation rules.
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guy with ebike makes fun of guy with fatbike.
sheesh no wonder we have 9 million axle standards.
guy with ebike makes fun of guy with fatbike.
sheesh no wonder we have 9 million axle standards.
Lotta "this isn't the exact right product for my use case, it's therefore the worst thing ever and makes sense for nobody" going around in here.
Let's get back to bitching about things that actually are trash. I'll start: skinwall tires.
Let's get back to bitching about things that actually are trash. I'll start: skinwall tires.
Don't forget the 29er part.
what about white AND skinwall?
honestly i wouldn't consider xc courses fairly tame anymore (at least not most of the ones i've seen from watching world cups). yes that was true at one time but not anymore. no, they're not as gnarly as enduro or DH courses but they've come a long way in the last few years. hell there are even drops and jumps in the courses now. the tokyo olympic track honestly looks exciting.
Are you serious?
Don't get me wrong here, it's definitely an improvement on a lot of less than interesting courses but you can't honestly expect me to think a few hand built rockgardens each designed and laid out with an obvious main line, a couple of man made 3ft drops with perfectly laid out downslope landings and one and a half bike length doubles ISN'T "fairly tame". and there's almost certainly nothing there to require anything more than a basic hardtail from 1996 to ride, nevermind some super fancy damper.
The real challenge for those guys is riding it lap after lap at the HRs they do, which is precisely why the technicality of the courses still isn't huge.
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what about white AND skinwall?
hmmmm....c'mon. you saw the course at snowshoe. there was nothing in the least gnar there. it's still all about how long you can maintain stupid fast speed for an hour or so.
That course was also shorter than was intended.
hmmmm....c'mon. you saw the course at snowshoe. there was nothing in the least gnar there. it's still all about how long you can maintain stupid fast speed for an hour or so.
How about these abominations? They gripped the track like a greased pig...
... And I can stand by that affirmation up above. I was one of the suckers buying them because they matched my frame. The durometer was something like 1,530 at the shoulders, 1,700 at the center.
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Omg! Cant say i remember or have ever seen those. Fugly for sure!How about these abominations? They gripped the track like a greased pig...
... And I can stand by that affirmation up above. I was one of the suckers buying them because they matched my frame. The durometer was something like 1,530 at the center, 1,700 at the shoulders.
They were quite hot down here back in 93-94. A girl I used to date had a forest green Cannondale with those Maxxis in green compound with tan sidewalls.
Gravel bike riders.
Every fucking rocky section on some single track near me has a go around now.
Every fucking rocky section on some single track near me has a go around now.
Never saw those before, and I can say I was better for it.How about these abominations? They gripped the track like a greased pig...
... And I can stand by that affirmation up above. I was one of the suckers buying them because they matched my frame. The durometer was something like 1,530 at the shoulders, 1,700 at the center.
I did have some of the grey specialized umma gumma tires. I thought they looked hot on a black bike...but they were horrible.
since when do we consider US world cups as prime examples of anything?
hmmmm....c'mon. you saw the course at snowshoe. there was nothing in the least gnar there. it's still all about how long you can maintain stupid fast speed for an hour or so.
There he is. I was starting to miss your anti US sentiment on any and every post.
horrible late 90s tires, you say? never fear, the weirwolf's got yer back (if you want to wash out everywhere and die!) feel the power of the paw!!!
That's not the original weirwolf
And they didn't come out until about 2003
They actually work pretty well in moondust with a little trimming.
And they didn't come out until about 2003
They actually work pretty well in moondust with a little trimming.
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I went down to Santa Barbara with Richard Lancaster and Travis Robertson before those came out and road Tunnel "with" them while they tested the tires. I think Richard had his under 18PSI in the back. A brand new wheel had 2 dents in them as deep as my pinky like 1/3 of the way down. I only saw them for about the first 200 yards or so.....no sidewall cuts though.That's not the original weirwolf
And they didn't come out until about 2003
They actually work pretty well in moondust with a little trimming.
I've never ridden tunnel but isn't it pretty much all rock? IE: tread don't matter, just casings?
I used to get a ton of free/cheap WTB tires in the early 2000s and before they started screwing with DNA casing crap and I swear you couldn't get a pinch flat with those things if you tried.
Then they 'improved' them and I couldn't keep air IN the damn things.
I used to get a ton of free/cheap WTB tires in the early 2000s and before they started screwing with DNA casing crap and I swear you couldn't get a pinch flat with those things if you tried.
Then they 'improved' them and I couldn't keep air IN the damn things.
Yeah, they were great avoiding snake bites, not so great gripping the terrain... Their rubber compound resembled Bakelite. The Nano/Mutano/Banano Raptors were a death sentence in the wet.
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I had those on my hardtail in 2003. :*(
That's not the original weirwolf
And they didn't come out until about 2003
They actually work pretty well in moondust with a little trimming.
Shimano is now making flat mount MTB brake calipers. I thought the point of flat mount was the same as front 12mm axles, to make it so road and MTB parts weren't interchangable so road stuff wouldn't be abused. Nevermind how bad the flat mount standard is in practice. The both calipers are more difficult to adjust and the front requires an adapter to attach to a fork. Really, there's like one fork out there that can take it without an adapter. Who is asking for this on their MTB? Oh I know, the roadie buying their first MTB that's really a front suspension gravel bike and wants calipers as "sleek" as their road bike's.