How many more people have to die for it to be OK for us to leave?Westy said:Just curious Stinkyboy, do you think we should leave now? Seems to be a lot of people with that opinion now. I was against going in there but it would be even worse if we walked away now. To quote Silver, we **** the bed now we have to lie in it.
Because if we leave a civil war will most likely break out. And a civil war in Iraq would likely pull in Turkey because of Kurdish problems and could overflow into Saudi Arabia because of their Shiite "problems". Many more innocent civilians/women/children would die as a result.stinkyboy said:How many more people have to die for it to be OK for us to leave?
The country is theirs. Let them handle it. How is it going to be better when we do eventually leave. Have we not have enough friggin time to train Iraqis how to shoot a gun? WTF!
Not many more Americans would be dying, and our soldiers could spend their time protecting and helping Americans, rather than Iraqis...Westy said:Many more innocent civilians/women/children would die as a result.
So you don't see a problem with going into a country and killing a whole bunch of people then just walking away to let the survivors kill each other off? I think what we have done was shamefull but just abondoning the people who we forced under our care would be criminal.stinkyboy said:Not many more Americans would be dying, and our soldiers could spend their time protecting and helping Americans, rather than Iraqis...
What else do we have to do? Why haven't we trained all of the Democracy lovin' Iraqis by now?Westy said:So you don't see a problem with going into a country and killing a whole bunch of people then just walking away to let the survivors kill each other off? I think what we have done was shamefull but just abondoning the people who we forced under our care would be criminal.
And they are sick of you. What's your point?sugarbushrider1 said:I'm sick of liberals.
The country is theirs, but we took it away from them and made a mess of it. Now it is our responsibility to clean it up.stinkyboy said:How many more people have to die for it to be OK for us to leave?
The country is theirs. Let them handle it. How is it going to be better when we do eventually leave. Have we not have enough friggin time to train Iraqis how to shoot a gun? WTF!
Oh, that's right, we have to babysit the oil...
He's 18, enjoys dirtbiking, SAILING, biking, and snowboarding, has presumably two homes, one in connecticut and one in vermont.........sounds like a young John Kerry.Westy said:Whoops Canada has even more liberals, that wont work. Where can a good conservative go these days? Europe is full of hippies? Japan is fairly Liberal? Mexico maybe? I hear Saudi Arabis is nice and conservative, Pakistan too.
Great analogy!kinghami3 said:One day you've decided that you've had enough, and, hop the fence and start a war, and kill 100,000 people. The neighbor is incredibly pissed at you and loathes the ground you walk on, but can't really do anything but kill American soldiers. What do you do? If you're a bad person you continue to kill and torture them, and vice versa. I think it's kind of the same situation in Iraq.
Or you could leave them with their weak constitution, let the country fall apart in less than a year, and have the warlords take over (kind of like Afghanistan). We shat on them once, let's not do it again. I'm all for getting out of Iraq, but until their government is in a place where it can sustain itself. Are we being proactive about speeding up the process? Nope, and that needs to change. Bush the oil monger is planning on staying there for the long term.stinkyboy said:Great analogy!
Dude you totally stole that from me. I want my slam back.kidwoo said:He's 18, enjoys dirtbiking, SAILING, biking, and snowboarding, has presumably two homes, one in connecticut and one in vermont.........sounds like a young John Kerry.
Oh the problems he must face that are a direct result of his exposure to liberals........like his daddy pacing the kitchen floor bitching about liberals.
SHUT UP!!!ohio said:Biking season's over.
So was the tree Saddam or WMD's?kinghami3 said:The country is theirs, but we took it away from them and made a mess of it. Now it is our responsibility to clean it up.
Imagine that you are Bill Gates and your neighbor lives in a shack. At your neighbor's house there's a big, obtrusive tree that reaches over into your yard. The neighbor doesn't have the resources to cut down the tree. One day you've decided that you've had enough, and, hop the fence and chop down his tree, and by accident drop it onto his garden shed. The neighbor is incredibly pissed at you and loathes the ground you walk on, but can't really do anything about it because he is so poor. What do you do? If you're a good person you help them rebuild. I think it's kind of the same situation in Iraq.
It wasn't a tree, it was technically a vine, and whilst the rich neighbour was complaining about the overhanging branches, his real problem was with the roots interfering with his oil supply.valve bouncer said:So was the tree Saddam or WMD's?
Hey, I'm all about the snow rides, but I've got a broken thumb which means no sports that involved major hand use for awhile...ridetoofast said:unless there is snow on the ground bike season is NOT over. ive ridden in damn near single digits temps...it only hurts for a little while, then you get to blow MASSIVE SNOT ROCKETS
You best find a girlfriend right quick.ohio said:Hey, I'm all about the snow rides, but I've got a broken thumb which means no sports that involved major hand use for awhile...
It's pretty funny... there are many things that are really hard to do with just a left hand, such as buttoning my pants or hand-writing hate mail to W, but THAT is not one of them.kidwoo said:You best find a girlfriend right quick.