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moff_quigley

moff_quigley

Why don't you have a seat over there?
Jan 27, 2005
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...without pics, but I need to share. After much hemming and hawing over whether or not to buy one of those Kestrels from bikesdirect I decided a carbon bike wasn't what I really wanted. That and they sold out of my size. I've been really wanting something in steel. Won an auction today on eBay for a NOS '07 Jamis Eclipse (853 and carbon seat stays, TT, and ST) frame and easton ec70 fork. Wanted one for a while now and I guess a little patience and indecision paid off. Can't wait to get it in my hands and built.

Rival group, Easton cockpit.

Now for wheels. I'm not really sure what I want. I'm either going to go for some Easton EA70's or maybe some Neuvations.
 
SuspectDevice

SuspectDevice

Turbo Monkey
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Ultergra hubs on open pro wheels with DT revolution or Sapim spokes are a better wheel than either of those by a huge damn margin. Seriously. Day and night pretty much.
 
SuspectDevice

SuspectDevice

Turbo Monkey
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moff_quigley said:
What if one has an irrational hatred for all things Shimano? Get over it?
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Yeah, do get over it that hate.
Cup and cone bearing hubs are things of pure beauty, beauty in that you can always adjust them perfectly- shimano and campy ones last forever. They are even considerably cheaper than the lowest-equivalent sealed bearing hubs. Shimano hubs are made the same way they have been since the 50's- the best quality metalworking available in the world and a passion for Kaizen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:PDCA-Two-Cycles.svg" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/PDCA-Two-Cycles.svg/450px-PDCA-Two-Cycles.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/f/f4/PDCA-Two-Cycles.svg/450px-PDCA-Two-Cycles.svg.png.

Both Shimano and Campy are companies that have never compromised on the profit v. value perspective- their hubs are the legacy of a time when things had to be as good as possible with the utmost durability- forging machines, pure billet and NC lathes didn't exist on every corner and weren't easily exportable to the next-cheapest market.

In Shimano's case it's been more than a century of doing their damndest to create a corporate structure where the struggle for continuous improvement hasn't been profitability, it's been better efficiency of manufacture and constant optimization of the product.

Are marginal weight savings and marketability really worth avoiding products that are the climax of decades of struggle for refinement? For the most part, the reason non- component manufacturers hub designs don't rely on races and cups is that they can't do it as well. Any optimally performing machine requires regular service and maintenance. There is no truly perfect- just the eternal struggle.

All products are good enough, but only these products that are so old-fashioned have so much tangible and intangible value- they are a legacy of what many of us believe to be a better time in the world. Their ability to be nearly perfect and last forever at such a reasonable price is a value proposition that speaks to many people, myself included

accept Kaizen into your life.
shed non-experiential apprehension
transcend consumerism

(But don't think that means that the new STI hood shape doesn't need some modifications.)
 
James

James

Carbon Porn Star
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SuspectDevice said:
Ultergra hubs on open pro wheels with DT revolution or Sapim spokes are a better wheel than either of those by a huge damn margin. Seriously. Day and night pretty much.
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Without getting into the whole rant below, I second this.

SuspectDevice said:
(But don't think that means that the new STI hood shape doesn't need some modifications.)
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I do not like the 7900 hoods, especially coming off the 7800 stuff. Way too wide at the base, and square.
Now the 7970 on the other hand...
 
moff_quigley

moff_quigley

Why don't you have a seat over there?
Jan 27, 2005
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Parts are starting to trickle in. Bars, seatpost, and stem came today. Group, tires, saddle, misc will be in tomorrow. Still no pics. :p
 
ire

ire

Turbo Monkey
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I've seen a few of those on Ebay...I always thought they were cool looking
 
moff_quigley

moff_quigley

Why don't you have a seat over there?
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GravityFreakTJ said:
Nice looking frame man.

Ps: you goin to leave all those spacers under the stem?
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I was thinking about adding as many as the steerer will allow. Heh. I'll take care of the stack height after I get it built.

CBJ said:
Wow even nicer than expected - how much did you pay?
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With shipping $466 (Frame, fork, FSA Orbit HS). I feel I got a nice deal as it hasn't been ridden...built up before but not used.
 
moff_quigley

moff_quigley

Why don't you have a seat over there?
Jan 27, 2005
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Finally built. Ugh. I made a rookie mistake and cut the fork too short. I could have cried. I was crushed. I measured 2x and only cut once, but my measurement was waaaay off. Replacement fork came today. I should be able to ebay the other one. All is right with the world again. It's a beaut. Pics/new thread in a couple days.
 
moff_quigley

moff_quigley

Why don't you have a seat over there?
Jan 27, 2005
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DRB said:
Talk about foreshadowing.
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Indeed. I thought about blaming it all on him. The fortunate part is I left that stack of spacers on, so the fork will still work for a small sized frame. As it is now it's only 15mm or so too short for mine.
 
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