What is the 411 on hope mono 6ti brakes?
Good or bad or What! gimme some feedback monkeys!
Good or bad or What! gimme some feedback monkeys!
thought on hope mono 6ti! what?
- Thread starter bullcrew
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every hope (Ti6 included) ive ridden feels like you can crush the lever against the bars, feeling like youre going to explode something inside the master cylinder or caliper.
the word modulation is BS too. the combined weight of the bike/rider and your momentum will create a kind of "modulation" but only if you have a brake with stopping power. I have only ridden Hayes Mags and i can say they have more sheer power than hopes.
the word modulation is BS too. the combined weight of the bike/rider and your momentum will create a kind of "modulation" but only if you have a brake with stopping power. I have only ridden Hayes Mags and i can say they have more sheer power than hopes.
I've had 6s for 2 years now and love them. If set up right they have more power than hayes mags, and they have tons of modulation. Others will tell you the same thing.
That's odd because I'm coming off of years on Hayes and after riding mono m4's for about 7 hours yesterday I'd say they own hayes in just about everyway. Possibly the new El Camino's are in a similar league but the mags are just plain mediocre. Modulation is not BS, it's a feeling. For instance Hayes lever throw is soft and then hits the wall. Hopes have a progessive pull (you describe as: "feels like you can crush the lever against the bars") This means as you pul the lever it gets stiffer but never hits a discernable stopping point. Last but not least, Hopes have way better ergonomics. The pivot allows for you to run the levers close to the bars w/o crushing your fingers unlike Hayes. Also the feel of the lever on you fingers is nicer and more like a Shimano lever.
To each his own but to comapre a mass produced "generic" type brake like Hayes to CNC'd one-piece works of art is sort of outrageous.
I do like that Hayes are fairly reliable and easy to find parts but aside from that they basically suck (ergonomics mostly). I can say that with about 5 years of experience to back it up. If Hopes turn out to be ridiculously unreliable then I'll eat my words but I work on my own stuff and carry the proper spares so the occasional unexpected maintenance issue is no biggie to me.
To each his own but to comapre a mass produced "generic" type brake like Hayes to CNC'd one-piece works of art is sort of outrageous.
I do like that Hayes are fairly reliable and easy to find parts but aside from that they basically suck (ergonomics mostly). I can say that with about 5 years of experience to back it up. If Hopes turn out to be ridiculously unreliable then I'll eat my words but I work on my own stuff and carry the proper spares so the occasional unexpected maintenance issue is no biggie to me.
its the medsSherpa said:
You DA man Punkassean! put some hurt down with yo bad self, always good for the 411.punkassean said:
But on the real side of things I need all the feedback I can get, we can always take his word for items he uses, he knows his stuff.
Keep the posts coming on experience and down falls of these.
Also where can I get ergo pads for these, I've heard the sintered pads heat up and can cause problems!
I love that wall. The wall is power. Maybe i have too much hand strength from years of punching the clown ?? lol hell it's always fun to continue the Hayes vs. Hope battle whenever it comes up.punkassean said:
I prefer Avid Hydro's to Hayes.
Okay here's the scoop................ The M6's kick ass!!!!!!bullcrew said:
No truthfully they do, they modulate very well and stoping power is amazing. Now, the sinthered pads come stock with all Mono brakes, personally I don't care for them as they take a little longer to break in, tend to be a bit noiser and don't stop as well in dry conditions. My opinion is the stock pads are more geared towards the UK conditions (wet & muddy). I switched to the Hope Organtic pads and find they work much better for me in dryer dusty conditions. EBC now makes pads for the M6's, I have a set in red and some in green but haven't tried them yet, I'll keep everyone up on performance when I try them.
Hope lever squish is the worst, they ALWAYS feel like they need bleeding. And I completely disagree with anyone who calls Hope ergonomics "good"... I really can't stand those levers. Power? Yes, it's on par with Mags but both get shat on by Juicies. "Modulation" is the most overused term regarding brakes btw, most people thing that squish = modulation, which it's not. If you can't control your brakes (whatever they are, unless they're hs33s on ground rims etc) then you're the one with the fault, not the brakes.
Besides, Hopes are rediculously expensive. Having ridden quite a number of them (maybe 7 or 8 sets) and having been impressed by, um, none of them, I wouldn't recommend them at all. Great if you want brakes that look cool, but personally I don't spend much time staring at my brakes when I'm riding.
Besides, Hopes are rediculously expensive. Having ridden quite a number of them (maybe 7 or 8 sets) and having been impressed by, um, none of them, I wouldn't recommend them at all. Great if you want brakes that look cool, but personally I don't spend much time staring at my brakes when I'm riding.
Why is that so? Are they both not brakes, intended for MTB's? Who cares how/where it was made, you don't buy a component for image... well, some do, but what can you say about them?punkassean said:
I prefer the feel of Hayes, just like some prefer the feel of Hope, but to outright say one is better than the other is going a bit far, unless other issues (such as reliability) throw the equation out of balance.
That said, for now I'm going to stick to my Avid cable discs until I bother rebuilding my Mags (user error killed them), but the Juicy 7's make me feel all warm and funny in my special place. And that, is called preference... you can't question someones tastes if it's what they want.
Hey I drove one of those ford falcon or lion looking emblemed cars when I was in Brisbane. Australian cars kick A_S! it's like a gocart with turbo. My dad lives in cairns and keeps me posted. Good on ya!
Heh, talk about offtopic! We're probably one of the few countries in the world that still have big V8, RWD sedans commonly used for family duties... the Middle East love them too, alot are exported there, and I wonder who makes that aweful rebadged GTO... For a daily family barge, some of our cars don't do too bad for straight line performance, they're definately nothing special when compared to the rest of the world though.
Brian what do the organic pads look like. I just got a new rear M6 and it came with pads that had a different compound than the normal ones, and the steel plate was silver, not gold like the stock pads. They also broke in very fast. Im thinking that they might be shipping the M6s with the organic pads now.
Those are them, way better than the sinthered.Curb Hucker said:
Blah, blah, the grass is always greener, eh? I came off 4 years of Hopes, and found my grail in Hayes. I was enchanted by the talk of 'modulation' and the sheer geek-love of CNC'd aluminum. multiple pistons, moto-looking levers/reserviors, and exclusivity at Big Bear.punkassean said:
However, these Hopes were just inconsistent...constantly required bleeding/maintenance suddenly for no discernable reason (except that maybe they weren't bled right from the start, you could say, but it happened with both factory-bled brakes and brakes I did myself...air was very stubborn hiding in the old Enduro caliper, I guess. And I really do know how to work on them...). Heck, my first set of brand-new C2s arrived with a split line; guess that should have been a signal. There are breakaway parts designed into the system, so I'd snap hose connectors on occasion (twice while landing jumps!) and the brass lever washers would pull out on a crash ever month or two. Not big deals, but I did end up travelling with spare parts and spending WAY too long in the garage mucking with my brakes.
When I finally got tired of being laughed at, and just ran a set of Hayes for a trial, I was just as happy stopping as I had been with the Hopes, and MAN, it was great. Consistent and easier filling/bleeding with the syringe, and deal-reliable through all conditions and crashes. Ugly, simple, common...sure. No problem. They worked. Feel? Yeah, noticed it a little bit, but didn't mind it...heck, it felt POWERFUL. Lever style? Went through all the aftermarket levers and found Dangerboy straight-blades; perfect for me.
Now, that's before the mini levers (had one set of M4s and had no problems with them, but switched all my bikes to Hayes for simplicity.) and the monobody calipers, but I'm happy enough that I'm not going back.
Why does every Hope thread turn into this?
MD
Hey, not gettin down on ya. I loved the place stayed in kangaroo point, and played at surfers paradise for 3 months. It rocks over there.Rik said:
Hence, "to each his own..." from my original post.Rik said:
This is exactly why I choose avid mechanical brakes. Every thread about Hayes, Hopes, Shimano, Grimeca, or Magura ends up in a pissing match, threads about Avid mechanicals always end up with people swearing by them. They are in my "opinion" the best mechanical disc brakes on the market and comparable in stopping power and modulation to many hydraulic systems. I've only heared a few people claim problems with the red knobs falling off and one or two people who simply don't like the feel, but compare that to the number of dissatisfied Hayes and Hope customers, or any other hydraulic system, and Avid mechs start looking pretty darn good.
Is this anecdotal evidance? Sure. Are the reasons for buying Hope, Hayes or Shimano anecdotal? You betcha!!! Get whatever brakes feel best to you, if you buy one brand thinking you'll get used to it, or that the brakes will feel better once they're broken in you'll most likely be dissapointed. Get whatever brakes feel best to you and ignore the opinions of others. These threads are reminiscent of the what color bullit is faster threads on MTBR 3 years ago.
Is this anecdotal evidance? Sure. Are the reasons for buying Hope, Hayes or Shimano anecdotal? You betcha!!! Get whatever brakes feel best to you, if you buy one brand thinking you'll get used to it, or that the brakes will feel better once they're broken in you'll most likely be dissapointed. Get whatever brakes feel best to you and ignore the opinions of others. These threads are reminiscent of the what color bullit is faster threads on MTBR 3 years ago.
But JM and I always end up chiming in on how the Avids don't last a season until they start falling apart and losing their ability to hold an adjustment for a single ride...Kornphlake said:
Saw this year's, though, and they look a little tougher...no big goofy fisher-price knobs to fall off/shear off against a rock. Hopefully they don't back off so easily, either.
MD
I really think that most of the major brands have a good product. The reasons for my use of Hayes for all those years was because of the great price I could get them for working in a Kona dealer. Kona sells Hayes kits pre-bled w/adapters and rotors for a very ridiculous price so delaers can offer them as upgrades on their lower-end bikes that don't have discs but do come equipped with disc hubs and tabs. I also liked the availability of parts and ease of maintenance. However i was never stoked on them beyond just feeling like they got the job done.
I like the Avid mech's but from my experiences they are either on or off. I haven't seen a set that modulate very much. I'd try the Juicy's though and all signs indicate that they rock.
The guys at one of my local shops are in love with the newer Magura's, they all sold their Hopes and replaced them with Louise FR's. This is a high-end knowledgable shop so I trust their opinion.
I am new to Hopes and scored a good deal on my new brakes. So far so good. I hope this good begining stays good. A lot of people seem to swear by them and nothing else while still others seem to have bad experiences with them.
My point was that Hayes are very "vanilla" and I could never get them to feel right, in fact this past summer they nearly gave me arthritis after a few weeks up at Whistler. The ergonomics don't work for me and I have tried all the aftermarket levers to no avail. Hopes out of the box feel so much more ergonomic to me that it's safe to assume my hand cramping issues are a thing of the past.
I would trust the new El Camino's and I might have even bought them had Hayes brought them to market a few months ago when I got the Hopes. They seem to have fixed all the things about Hayes I disliked with the new design.
Anywhooo, I'll end where I started...To each his own.
I like the Avid mech's but from my experiences they are either on or off. I haven't seen a set that modulate very much. I'd try the Juicy's though and all signs indicate that they rock.
The guys at one of my local shops are in love with the newer Magura's, they all sold their Hopes and replaced them with Louise FR's. This is a high-end knowledgable shop so I trust their opinion.
I am new to Hopes and scored a good deal on my new brakes. So far so good. I hope this good begining stays good. A lot of people seem to swear by them and nothing else while still others seem to have bad experiences with them.
My point was that Hayes are very "vanilla" and I could never get them to feel right, in fact this past summer they nearly gave me arthritis after a few weeks up at Whistler. The ergonomics don't work for me and I have tried all the aftermarket levers to no avail. Hopes out of the box feel so much more ergonomic to me that it's safe to assume my hand cramping issues are a thing of the past.
I would trust the new El Camino's and I might have even bought them had Hayes brought them to market a few months ago when I got the Hopes. They seem to have fixed all the things about Hayes I disliked with the new design.
Anywhooo, I'll end where I started...To each his own.
Yeah, the Avids can vary quite a bit. Every set I've ridden (including the ones I owned) were powerful, but the feel/initial bite varied a lot. The brakes I had were extremely progressive in terms of bite (they didn't grab hard to start with) and were perfect for nosewheelies and stuff that required pinpoint control, but they weren't as sudden and violent as I like for DH and street. However having ridden a few other sets, I've felt quite a few that give you that "through-the-windscreen" feeling whenever you grab them (which I happen to like). The Juicies took it to a whole new level though, insane power and more grab than Gary Ablett. Those things were like playing video games; you don't exert any significant force to speak of, you just press them gently and they'll do the job for you.punkassean said:
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Korn, this is not a shot at you but the only people I know who prefer mechanicals over hydros don't know how to work on hydros or are dirt jumpers with a gyro or a really long rear brake cable. I've used the avid mechanicals and they are great for what they are, definitely the best mechanical. But the ones I used were way too grabby and even with 8" rotors lacked ultimate stopping power for a 200 lb dude on a 45 pound dh bike. Easy easy to set up, easy to adjust, easy to replace pads, etc., yes. But I can say the same thing about my two different kinds of shimano hydros and they have better power and "modulation" meaning (to me) better ability to control the amount of power. Avid mechanicals are way better than v-brakes but a ways off of a properly set up hydro...anyway, to each his own, hahaha.
You can de-tune the grabbiness of Avids by running the inboard pad further from the rotor, thus requiring it to flex more before you have both pads in contact with the rotor, although it does reduce the total power you can get out of them by a metric hair.
MD
MD
M6s and EBC Reds ..... mmmmmm. They work great for me. Same familiar Hope modulation plus lots more power. Also, IMHO, the reds didn't wear as fast on the M6s as they do on Hayes.Brian HCM#1 said:
Hey Russ, hows the knee?Russ said:
OGRipper said:
Well there you have it then, people don't like avid mechs either. You'll notice I never claimed they were as good as hydros, I just said they are the best cable actuated and as good as "some" hydros. Really the point I was making was to be found in the second paragraph of my original post though. It's the Ford vs. Chevy debate. No matter what my personal experience is somebody's had a bad experience or knows of one second hand (which is the more common scenario with pinkbike, mtbr, etc.) So for guys like Brian, go ahead and pump up your favorite product, just realize that a singular good experience, or even a cult of good experiances, isn't a guarantee that everybody will have the same experiance. As for calling someone who didn't prefer one brand over another a bad mechanic really is a low brow comment, each brake has it's own tricks to get it to work properly but in the end any competent mechanic should be able to sucessfully set up any mass produced brake. Not everybody likes the same lever feel, what some call power others call grabby, what some call modulation others call mushyness...
I just threw in my plug for Avid to show how brake companies have more fanboys than any other component.
If youre thinking about whether or not you need the Mono6, keep in mind that (excluding the Mono Trials) all Hope Mono brakes have the same slave piston area. Given the same lever input, and same rotor diameter, all of their brakes have the same stopping power.
The difference is in how quickly the different models can dissipate heat. If youre doing long downhills or weigh a lot, the Mono6 may be what you need. If youre not a heavy guy AND not riding or racing downhill, then the Mono 4 would probably be just fine for you and come in at a lower weight.
All that said, Hopes simply rock. Ive been using them exclusively for eight years on my bikes and I love them. Ive had my share of QC problems with them, but theyve always rectified the situation promptly. Having worked in and managed shops over the last ten years, I dont think Hope has any more or less QC problems than the other brake manufacturers, but they certainly build a higher overall quality brake.
The difference is in how quickly the different models can dissipate heat. If youre doing long downhills or weigh a lot, the Mono6 may be what you need. If youre not a heavy guy AND not riding or racing downhill, then the Mono 4 would probably be just fine for you and come in at a lower weight.
All that said, Hopes simply rock. Ive been using them exclusively for eight years on my bikes and I love them. Ive had my share of QC problems with them, but theyve always rectified the situation promptly. Having worked in and managed shops over the last ten years, I dont think Hope has any more or less QC problems than the other brake manufacturers, but they certainly build a higher overall quality brake.