does anyone know the price for a Ti spring for a 2008 Fox DHX w/ a 3.24 stroke? like 300lb.
also, what are the advantages of a Ti spring? any disadvantages?
also, what are the advantages of a Ti spring? any disadvantages?
No, they feel the EXACT same. People are just retarded.people say they perform better as well
It's too bad those people are spreading false informationpeople say they perform better as well
Not necessarily, spring weights are based on static displacements. So you could theoretically get a plastic spring that has the same spring rate. But I think its going to feel different.No, they feel the EXACT same. People are just retarded.
I know I am gonna get flamed for this, but in MY OPINION, the shock felt a little more active with the TI spring then with the metal spring.No, they feel the EXACT same. People are just retarded.
It's really not a matter that is capable of having an opinion. If you felt it was more active, it was probably because the spring rate was lower than your steel one.I know I am gonna get flamed for this, but in MY OPINION, the shock felt a little more active with the TI spring then with the metal spring.
I've never heard that before and none of the ones I owned have done it... just my 2 cents.I heard they tend to squeak.
I switched from a steel to a ti spring on my 6 way, and it did feel a little better. Not a huge diff by any means, but as many had said, it did feel more active, and supple over small bumps.
Dude, I tried that and I could totally feel the difference. My back shocks worked so much better over the moguls.The difference in spring WEIGHT and unsprung mass equates to about the same difference as removing the 18T cog only from your rear cassette.
They weight those statically, but the spring functions dynamically. I'm still not fully convinced there is NO difference; however there may be only a small difference. The bike's suspension type and compression ratio may affect it too, so I'd think some bikes you couldn't feel a difference, and some you can.Spring rate is a measurement of force/distance. The difference in spring WEIGHT and unsprung mass equates to about the same difference as removing the 18T cog only from your rear cassette.
The weight savings of a ti spring are definitely a good ratio for most dh shocks without a doubt.
The difference in spring WEIGHT and unsprung mass equates to about the same difference as removing the 18T cog only from your rear cassette.
I did not post that. That is what dw posted. I figure he's a smart guy and has done the math to say that.These two statements conflict with each other. Yes, since the acceleration and displacement of the spring are less than the wheel due to what is commonly refered to as the leverage ratio. Also, effectly, only half of the spring is moving. However, it does make a difference.
Physics/dynamics and dyno graphs don't lie. Please post up your math to prove that a 18 T gear has the same effect as a 3/4 lb spring.
I'll agree that the placebo effect is real. I do it all the time with a couple of my riders with confidence problems. Every mechanic does this with their riders.
So you are saying steel reacts identical to Ti in this application that it infact has no properties that would allow it to compress more evenly and true over time as well as fatigue less thus keeping a true spring rate over time.Here you are:
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2514808#post2514808
and how, you may ask, does the heavier spring account for about as much unsprung mass as the lighter 18t cog? I would assume it has everything to do with rotation and leverage.
whatever difference people claim they can feel is either the placebo effect or their inability to swap springs without maintaining the same preload.
I got mine based on weight. Thats the main reason 2nd to the fact I thought the dont fatigue like steele.2 pay a lot of $$ for anything and you will want to justify it.
So you are saying steel reacts identical to Ti in this application that it infact has no properties that would allow it to compress more evenly and true over time as well as fatigue less thus keeping a true spring rate over time.
Just asking, I've always been under the assumtion that Ti holds a spring rate longer.
for the same reason that sugar pills cure some people of depression. it's all in your head.
spring weight is a measure of how much weight it takes to compress a spring 1". so, a 300# spring, whether made of ti, steal, plastic, or chuck noriss's pubic hair, will require 300lb to compress it; no more, no less. only way the 2 would feel different is if one was preloaded more than the other.
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and how, you may ask, does the heavier spring account for about as much unsprung mass as the lighter 18t cog? I would assume it has everything to do with rotation and leverage.
whatever difference people claim they can feel is either the placebo effect or their inability to swap springs without maintaining the same preload.
and it WILL affect your wallet more.This argument never ends...the results are always the same, the Ti MAY perform better. It WILL weight less.
Not possible... we know a 300x3.0 fox steel spring weighs ~520g, and a 300x3.0 ti spring definitely doesn't weigh 190g. I'd say it'd weigh in the region of 300g, making the weight saving more like 220g.About 330g less for a ti vs steel in 300 x 3.0