Time for a new party
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the only people who like the 2 party system are those of us who realize that it sucks but is better than the alternative. introduce 3 or more parties and you have a parlimentary system, and if you thought that the past 6 years of one-party rule have sucked, imagine that being the case ALL THE TIME. combine that with the fact that government coalitions rarely last their full term, and elections can be held at any time for any reason. then there's the makeup of the coalition, these little sh!t parties wield enormous power since they can be the deciding factor between majority or minority. imagine 49% democrat, 49% republican, and 2% rabid right-wing conservatives (or pinko-lefty commies). That small party can basically dictate what happens, and basically be bribed by whoever gives them the most pork (see religious parties in Israel).
no f'in thank you.
no f'in thank you.
Please get a clue.
That's why you need several smaller parties rather than just one. Then you balance things up a lot more.the only people who like the 2 party system are those of us who realize that it sucks but is better than the alternative. introduce 3 or more parties and you have a parlimentary system, and if you thought that the past 6 years of one-party rule have sucked, imagine that being the case ALL THE TIME. combine that with the fact that government coalitions rarely last their full term, and elections can be held at any time for any reason. then there's the makeup of the coalition, these little sh!t parties wield enormous power since they can be the deciding factor between majority or minority. imagine 49% democrat, 49% republican, and 2% rabid right-wing conservatives (or pinko-lefty commies). That small party can basically dictate what happens, and basically be bribed by whoever gives them the most pork (see religious parties in Israel).
no f'in thank you.
you mean like these smaller parties??http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Israel
(for the lazy)
* Kadima קדימה ("Forward")
* Labour העבודה (Ha-Avoda)
* Shas ש"ס (Mifleget Ha-Sfaradim Shomrei Torah) מפלגת הספרדים שומרי תורה ("Sephardi Religious Party")
* Likud ליכוד ("Consolidation")
* Yisrael Beytenu ישראל ביתנו ("Our Home Israel")
* HaIchud HaLeumi-Mafdal (האיחוד הלאומי-מפד"ל, ha-Īhūd ha-Le'ūmī-Miflāgāh Dātīt Le'ūmīt (MaFDaL))
* Gil - Gimla'ey Yisrael LaKneset (גיל - גימלאי ישראל לכנסת
* United Torah Judaism יהדות התורה (Yahadut Ha-Torah also Achdut HaTorah HaMeuchedet) was a coalition of:
o Agudat Israel אגודת ישראל ("Union of Israel")
o Degel HaTorah דגל התורה ("Banner [of] the Torah")
* Meretz-Yachad מרצ-יחד ("Together-Vigor" or Yahad= Social Democratic Israel, Israel Hevratit Demokratit) coalition that includes:
o Meretz מרצ ("Vigor")
o Shahar שח"ר ("dawn")
* United Arab List רשימה ערבית מאוחדת-רע"ם (Reshima Aravit Me'uchedet or Ra'am)
o Ta'al ("Arab Movement for Renewal")
* Hadash חד"ש (acronym for Ha-Chazit Ha-Demokratit le-Shalom ule-shivyon החזית הדמוקרטית לשלום ולשוויון ("Democratic Front for Peace and Equality") coalition that includes:
o Communist Party of Israel מפלגה קומוניסטית ישראלית-מק"י(Miflaga Komunistit Yisraelit or Maki)
* Balad בל"ד (Brit Leumit Demokratit ברית לאומית דמוקרטית al-Tajamu' al-Watani al-Dimuqrati) ("National Democratic Assembly") Arab party
a new party would be nice, but it would take so much funding to convince democrats or republicans to move over. the way our government is set up, it will never be a true representation of all of the people. the only thing that will truly make a difference is if our governmental system changes dramatically or the government is removed, but that is an entirely different story...
Yeah, but it seems the way Israel is run these people don't actually get a say. Look at, dare I say it, NZ, where 7 or eight parties actually have a few seats in Parliment and actually get to vote on stuff that matters. THEN you have a difference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Israel
(for the lazy)
* Kadima קדימה ("Forward")
* Labour העבודה (Ha-Avoda)
* Shas ש"ס (Mifleget Ha-Sfaradim Shomrei Torah) מפלגת הספרדים שומרי תורה ("Sephardi Religious Party")
* Likud ליכוד ("Consolidation")
* Yisrael Beytenu ישראל ביתנו ("Our Home Israel")
* HaIchud HaLeumi-Mafdal (האיחוד הלאומי-מפד"ל, ha-Īhūd ha-Le'ūmī-Miflāgāh Dātīt Le'ūmīt (MaFDaL))
* Gil - Gimla'ey Yisrael LaKneset (גיל - גימלאי ישראל לכנסת
* United Torah Judaism יהדות התורה (Yahadut Ha-Torah also Achdut HaTorah HaMeuchedet) was a coalition of:
o Agudat Israel אגודת ישראל ("Union of Israel")
o Degel HaTorah דגל התורה ("Banner [of] the Torah")
* Meretz-Yachad מרצ-יחד ("Together-Vigor" or Yahad= Social Democratic Israel, Israel Hevratit Demokratit) coalition that includes:
o Meretz מרצ ("Vigor")
o Shahar שח"ר ("dawn")
* United Arab List רשימה ערבית מאוחדת-רע"ם (Reshima Aravit Me'uchedet or Ra'am)
o Ta'al ("Arab Movement for Renewal")
* Hadash חד"ש (acronym for Ha-Chazit Ha-Demokratit le-Shalom ule-shivyon החזית הדמוקרטית לשלום ולשוויון ("Democratic Front for Peace and Equality") coalition that includes:
o Communist Party of Israel מפלגה קומוניסטית ישראלית-מק"י(Miflaga Komunistit Yisraelit or Maki)
* Balad בל"ד (Brit Leumit Demokratit ברית לאומית דמוקרטית al-Tajamu' al-Watani al-Dimuqrati) ("National Democratic Assembly") Arab party
In NZ, represented in Parliment we have:
ACT, The Greens, Labour, The Māori Party, National, New Zealand First, The Progressives and United Future.
As well as those we also have:
99 MP, Alliance, Democrats, Destiny (DestiNAZI), Direct Democracy, Equal Values, Family Rights Protection, Freedom, Legalise Cannabis, Libertarianz, National Front, One New Zealand, Outdoor Recreation, Republic of New Zealand, Socialist Workers, Te Tawharau, Workers, and the World Socialists.
Hence we have a pretty sensible and balance legislature and don't condone, for example, torture.
I voted Ham Sandwich last time and may end up doing it again!
..like most liberals...
New party? How about NO parties? No campaign financing either.
Look, everyone knows that party loyalties and
lead to corruption.
How about we just abolish the whole mess?
But wait, how will I get my message out without any money? Well there is a marvelous new technology called the internet. It costs virtually nothing to use and it allows EVERYONE equal access.
Now instead of being able to choose candidates based on who has the most, we could make our decisions on who has the best values, policies and ideas. What a funking concept!
I know... another one of my
ideas.
Look, everyone knows that party loyalties and
lead to corruption.How about we just abolish the whole mess?
But wait, how will I get my message out without any money? Well there is a marvelous new technology called the internet. It costs virtually nothing to use and it allows EVERYONE equal access.
Now instead of being able to choose candidates based on who has the most
, we could make our decisions on who has the best values, policies and ideas. What a funking concept!I know... another one of my
ideas.
Vive La Revolution!New party? How about NO parties? No campaign financing either.
Look, everyone knows that party loyalties and
How about we just abolish the whole mess?
But wait, how will I get my message out without any money? Well there is a marvelous new technology called the internet. It costs virtually nothing to use and it allows EVERYONE equal access.
Now instead of being able to choose candidates based on who has the most
I know... another one of my
Seriously, it's going to take a revolution before this whole mess of a government is fixed. And it's going to get worse, much worse before it gets better.
But just remember, when we're all in the ****ter with no rights left and government microchips implanted in us, it is N8's fault.
goddamn, i choked on my coffee. Well done, sir!
are u sure it was 'coffee' you were choking on?
Believe it or not N8 there are unhappy conservatives that would like to see change.
I love how anything that deviates from the status quo you latch onto it as out of control liberalism.
Next hurricane i'm coming to your house to ride Ruston and we are gonna you off the "blinded to reason" republican cool-aid
I love how anything that deviates from the status quo you latch onto it as out of control liberalism.
Next hurricane i'm coming to your house to ride Ruston and we are gonna you off the "blinded to reason" republican cool-aid
It always amazes me to see how far this site leans to the left (N8 excluded) that no one has even considered the largest "third party" in American politics, the Libertarian Party.
Because they are too nutty for even left wingers to vote for. People need a viable choice, not another green party.
I've been voting libertarian for a while now. But to be realistic I know they will never get off the ground as their drive will never jive with a large percentage of the population. At best they could get a few seats and become a tie breaker.
? WTF? over. Left wing? Hardly.
If we could just get the party leadership off the legalizing drug push and onto something that resonates more with the masses like emminent domain (here in the southside that's the big libertarian issue) we could make a lot of headway.
They are dead center of party politics in the US. They have conservative as well as progressive policies. The fact is, no one will vote for them and they know it. They piss off both political bases they wish to draw support from in a super polarized US system. Their left wing policies are way too left wing for most Democrats, and the same with their right wing policies. They want to push both extremes.
IE: they are too nutty for anyone to vote for. That clear enough for you?
Just in case it wasn't:
I don't think we're as nutty as you think. It's simply a matter of believing in maximum personal freedom and minimal government interference. Hell, here in the largest city in VA we were only a hundred or so votes away from winning the mayorship. But you're right, no one will vote Libertarian.
They did win governorship in Minnesota. I like their ideas "in principle" but its just not compatible with the modern world, IMO.
I have to disagree. The general party line is to stick to the original intent of the U.S. constitution. Granted some of the more vocal libertarians out there seem to want some seemingly radical things, like those who support total isolationism or total open boarders, but on the whole it's simply a matter of smaller government, less foreign entanglements, less taxation, more personal freedom.
how about no representative government, hell how about no "set" government. government promotes "monopolies" and limits free competition. if you want my opinion, something like anarcho-capitalism probably would be a better system if implemented correctly.(our government is being implemented correctly, it just doesn't work as well as everyone thinks it does)New party? How about NO parties? No campaign financing either.
Look, everyone knows that party loyalties and
How about we just abolish the whole mess?
Direct democracy sounds cool. Are they anarkosyndicalists or somthing like that?
New party? How about NO parties? No campaign financing either.
Look, everyone knows that party loyalties and
How about we just abolish the whole mess?
But wait, how will I get my message out without any money? Well there is a marvelous new technology called the internet. It costs virtually nothing to use and it allows EVERYONE equal access.
Now instead of being able to choose candidates based on who has the most
I know... another one of my
It's not
at all. In Kiruna, the most northern town/county of Sweden, they have had some voting done over the internet conserning their domestic stuff. Not everybody has a computer to get information and vote on but every library has one, they reasoned when they started it.And you're right about party loyalties and greed...
Representative democracy in all but the Cuban model have failed. A flatter pyramid and as much direct democratic system as possible is needed to minimize the corruption that power leads to. Aswell as to restore public interest and involvment in politics, that the feel of having some of that power in ones owns hands gives.
Isn't Noam Chomsky a liberal-anarchist, or is he a socialist-anarchist?