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Tipping; who and how much??

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Not only that, but it’s been proven time and time again people will tip simply on how a person looks. Its a fucked up system that should not exist.
Not only that but studies have shown that on average, being rude will garner more tips. Sure some people will not appreciate it, but it seems that a lot of people will feel it is their fault and they need to make the server like them with money.


Tipping shouldn't be about "I am sorry your employer doesn't pay you enough"
 

iRider

Turbo Monkey
Apr 5, 2008
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car mechanics pay for their own tools
While the US system has many negatives, this one actually is not. Sure, you have to pay to get into the game, but later you have all the tools you need to start at another shop or open your own (minus the manufacturer-specific tools that usually the workshops provides). Further advantage is that you can work with the tools that you like.
 

iRider

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I spent 4 months in Europe not tipping. It was glorious. :D
Were you in Germany? There it is also normal to tip at a restaurant. Usually your "round" the number up so that the waiter and you do not have to deal with change, if the service was really, really good you give 10-15% extra.
 

stevew

resident influencer
Sep 21, 2001
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lol, I just experienced something new. Local pizza joint (which pays very well, like $25-$35 an hour) had their machine set up so it was impossible to not tip. The only way was to hit customer tip. I mean, I guess you could tip a penny, but that’s actually more insulting than no tip.
I think I will just tell people at the counter that I will tip after I eat in cash.
a living wage in jackson hole.....

$100,000 ?
 
Waiters in the US are paid 1/3 of minimum wage, and employers deduct a % of their sales to pay other staff like busboys or hostesses.
If a waiter sells more than $200/hour, he/she may be effectively paid a negative amount.

How is that legal? I have no idea, labor laws in the states are insane (car mechanics pay for their own tools, there are no sick days, etc)
99% of laws in all countries are insane.
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
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Waiters in the US are paid 1/3 of minimum wage, and employers deduct a % of their sales to pay other staff like busboys or hostesses.
If a waiter sells more than $200/hour, he/she may be effectively paid a negative amount.

How is that legal? I have no idea, labor laws in the states are insane (car mechanics pay for their own tools, there are no sick days, etc)
While the US system has many negatives, this one actually is not. Sure, you have to pay to get into the game, but later you have all the tools you need to start at another shop or open your own (minus the manufacturer-specific tools that usually the workshops provides). Further advantage is that you can work with the tools that you like.
This actually varies a lot by state. Generally speaking, you can look above at the map @Jozz just posted and guess which states have a "tipped minimum wage" below that of federal minimum wage, which itself may vary wildly from state minimum wage. I'm of the opinion that a "tipped minimum wage" is morally reprehensible and ought to be illegal.
Edit: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped

As for working in a shop, I never worked in any hangar where the employer provided tooling, outside of specialty tools, some of which literally cost tens of thousands of dollars. Most avaition gigs, a "set of basic hand tools" is well defined and a condition of employment. I have easily collected 10 grand worth of Mac and/or Snap-on tools over the years and some guys had WAY more. Before I left the airline, California passed a law requiring employers to either provide tools or pay triple the state minimum wage. The airline was desperately trying to find anyway around this, because heaven forbid they pay the new kids a survivable wage in southern/central California. :rolleyes: Last I bothered to look the law was still being challenged in court. That said, I'm not sure I'd want to work with whatever cheap harbor freight shit the airline would wind up buying when/if it comes to that, nor would I want to be trying to find/track/fight a shop worth of folks for a basic tool to do my job every night.
 
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ALEXIS_DH

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Jan 30, 2003
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As for working in a shop, I never worked in any hangar where the employer provided tooling, outside of specialty tools, some of which literally cost tens of thousands of dollars. Most avaition gigs, a "set of basic hand tools" is well defined and a condition of employment. I have easily collected 10 grand worth of Mac and/or Snap-on tools over the years and some guys had WAY more. Before I left the airline, California passed a law requiring employers to either provide tools or pay triple the state minimum wage. The airline was desperately trying to find anyway around this, because heaven forbid they pay the new kids a survivable wage in southern/central California. :rolleyes: Last I bothered to look the law was still being challenged in court. That said, I'm not sure I'd want to work with whatever cheap harbor freight shit the airline would wind up buying when/if it comes to that, nor would I want to be trying to find/track/fight a shop worth of folks for a basic tool to do my job every night.
I have been a service manager at some point in my career.
We never got harbor freight quality tools for technicians. We (as in toyota/mercedes) only used toyota branded (which are really high quality) or stahlwile (german made, snap on equivalent). Productivity depends on tool quality, cheap tools break, damage bolts, dont fit, no company wants to deal with that.
"We will get you harbor freight tools if you dont pay your own snap on" is part of the con I think.
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
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I have been a service manager at some point in my career.
We never got harbor freight quality tools for technicians. We (as in toyota/mercedes) only used toyota branded (which are really high quality) or stahlwile (german made, snap on equivalent). Productivity depends on tool quality, cheap tools break, damage bolts, dont fit, no company wants to deal with that.
"We will get you harbor freight tools if you dont pay your own snap on" is part of the con I think.
I mean, that's smart and all, but that implies thinking beyond the next quarterly profit margin and inflating stock price.
 

I Are Baboon

Vagina man
Aug 6, 2001
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Timely thread, as I dropped my car off for a detailing this morning and am wondering if I should tip the guy. Google says 10-20% tip, so on a $300 detailing, I figure a $50 bill would be good?

I tipped my hair lady $30 for Christmas yesterday, which is the cost of a haircut. I've been going to her for 20 years.
 

rideit

Bob the Builder
Aug 24, 2004
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a living wage in jackson hole.....

$100,000 ?
Starting wage for *most* jobs is about $20, but not everywhere. The ski areas are a notable exception, they are catering to a snow addicted, captive clientele.
J1 visa holders usually get around $15 an hour, which is many times an average (South American, Turkish, etc) wage.
They also get subsidized (seasonal)housing, usually about $700/mo. for a room, and the j1’s often choose to pack in 3-4 to a room. For most of them it’s like a 3-4 month party, but not all.
 
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rideit

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a living wage in jackson hole.....

$100,000 ?
A really good server at our top restaurants average $3-400 a night, but that’s not consistent. And the restaurants are either dark or dead for about 3-4 months every year.
Four Seasons full time doormen generally earn over $100k if they are on salary.
 

stevew

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Sep 21, 2001
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Timely thread, as I dropped my car off for a detailing this morning and am wondering if I should tip the guy. Google says 10-20% tip, so on a $300 detailing, I figure a $50 bill would be good?

I tipped my hair lady $30 for Christmas yesterday, which is the cost of a haircut. I've been going to her for 20 years.
I think the last time I had my car detailed I tipped the two kids 50 bucks each at the auto bell because it was about 95 degrees out and they were busting their ass and my car was a shit hole.
 

stevew

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A really good server at our top restaurants average $3-400 a night, but that’s not consistent. And the restaurants are either dark or dead for about 3-4 months every year.
Four Seasons full time doormen generally earn over $100k if they are on salary.
probably commuting over the mountain from driggs?
 

iRider

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Apr 5, 2008
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You're off by a few percentage points. :rolleyes:

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No, I am not. I am talking about the upper 1% of rich people no matter what political believes they support. They already try to break every law they can and sometimes get away with it, but imagine if you remove 99% of laws. Why do you think Elon and his rich friends want to get rid of government and regulations?

People just fall for them, and as much as I sometimes blame them for the shit happening, in the end they are just victims of brainwashing.
 

rideit

Bob the Builder
Aug 24, 2004
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probably commuting over the mountain from driggs?
Interestingly, the one person I know (front line manager) got an ‘attainable’ house in one of our swankier (real people) neighborhoods about 15 years ago, and he has had that job for at least that long. They are in good shape (wife is a nurse).
Consistency pays off here.
But yeah, Teton Valley/Alpine have always been the solution to own your own SFR with a yard/etc. That is getting more difficult, as those prices (like everywhere on earth that is desirable) have gone up 50-100% in the last five years.
My wife commuted every day over the pass for 8 or 9 years, it was tough.
 
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SkaredShtles

Michael Bolton
Sep 21, 2003
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Were you in Germany? There it is also normal to tip at a restaurant. Usually your "round" the number up so that the waiter and you do not have to deal with change, if the service was really, really good you give 10-15% extra.
TBH we did round up most of time IIRC. But my memory is vague, and this was in '99 so we were still dealing with Deutschmarks, Lira, and all other manner of weird monies when we were there. :D
 

jstuhlman

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Dec 3, 2009
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A really good server at our top restaurants average $3-400 a night, but that’s not consistent. And the restaurants are either dark or dead for about 3-4 months every year.
Four Seasons full time doormen generally earn over $100k if they are on salary.
lol. i have a fucking phd and 30 years of experience and i barely make six figures. and i'm good with that because i don't need any more.

also, fuck tipping cashiers for ringing up my sandwich. and things like that. i worked as a server for years in grad school. you give good service, you get 20%. done. you pour me a beer, you get a buck. i ain't changing and i'm fine with being a curmudgeon.
 

JB450

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Apr 13, 2024
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Australia like NZ does not have a tipping culture.

In the US on public holidays and weekends (mostly Sundays) do hospitality businesses charge a surcharge?

In Aus we do as there is laws that the employer has to pay overtime rates on these days.
 

boostindoubles

Nacho Libre
Mar 16, 2004
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Charge what you need to operate your business successfully.

I'm there to buy X, not buy X and also pay your employees wages.

If something extraordinary happens during the meal or if the spirit moves someone - they can do whatever they want.

Tips are stupid to me because they add in this emotional component to what is otherwise eating food. Tippers feel good, people who don't tip often probably feel guilt. The employees feel hope with every transaction and it goes one of three ways - good - indifferent - disappointment.

Fuck that shit. Make me food, let me eat it and I'll be on my way.