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  1. Bldr_DH

    Bldr_DH Monkey

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    I'm hoping some of you monkeys can help give me some ideas for a project I'm working on -- I'm basically making a tiny four-bar linkage that will be used as a hinge. Think of the hinges used on the trunk or hood of some cars.

    What I'm getting hung up on is how to make the pivots be both smooth and solid as possible, emphasis on the solid part... every linkage I've ever fudged together has had play like crazy and I want to eliminate it at the pivots as much as I can. The pivots don't need to be free spinning (it's okay if there is some drag), but they need to feel smooth. Nothing has been bought or fabricated yet so there is plenty of leeway with the design.

    As it stands, the links have a .125"x.5" cross section. I can maybe bump them up to .25" thick but I'd rather keep them as thin as possible. I was originally thinking about using thrust bearings/bushings since that would give a slightly larger contact area at the pivot to help reduce play. I'm still thinking that may be a good way to go, but I'm open to any ideas. My trouble with the thrust bearings is: I've never actually used them before and am having a tough time imagining how to bolt everything together so the fastener won't back itself out. Maybe some Locite would be sufficient?

    The other option would be to make the links thicker and press in a standard bearing.

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. Mr Jones

    Mr Jones Turbo Monkey

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    jambnut or crown nut with cotter pin


    Thats all I got so far. Too early in the morning.
     
  3. Bldr_DH

    Bldr_DH Monkey

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    Ooh, good thought. Happen to know what these are called? "Pin clip" didn't come up with anything on Google or McMaster

    Edit: Found 'em -- retaining clip.
     

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  4. w00dy

    w00dy In heaven there is no beer

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    To take out wobble you either need deep links with a lot of pivot overlap or broad links so the links contact each other on a large surface area. I think you're leaning towards the latter. I'd tighten them against each other with a plastic washer in between. They make teflon sheet, but any kind of nylon would work great.

    Edit: http://www.mcmaster.com/#thrust-bearings/=dpb0he

    Thrust>Solid>Plastic
     
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  5. Mr Jones

    Mr Jones Turbo Monkey

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    I've heard those referred to as 'cir clips'. Not sure of the exact label though.
     
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    HAB Chelsea from Seattle

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    If you really want to keep things simple, just use a nylon washer between the links, and then to keep the bolt tight without having to tighten the **** out of it and thus making the pivots suck, just use two nuts and tighten them against each other. Kinda like you'd do on a loose ball bearing hub with the cone and locknut. You'd have to be careful to get the bolts tightened just right so that there isn't play but the pivots still work smoothly, but once you've done that it should be solid.


    The parts you're talking about are way too small for thrust bearings to work well.


    Edit: sniped by w00dy.
     
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    Bldr_DH Monkey

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    Awesome, thanks for the tips. I was leaning towards bushings anyway, since they're much lower profile.

    McMaster has bowed retaining clips (#98398A120) which I think may do the trick. Has anyone used those before? I'll be turning down my own pins so I can put the groove exactly where I need it. Maybe I can get away with non-bowed ones too...

    *Trying to make this thing really low profile and clean, so I'm shying away from the nuts and bolts/cotter pin options.
     
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    MMike A fowl peckerwood.

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    oilite bushings?
     
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    I always called those c-clips.
     
  10. jutny

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    E-Clips

    or jesus clips: "oh jesus where the ****'d it go this time?"
     
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    Yeap technical term fo rthose clips is " Oh holy **** were the **** did that go..." clips

    I was looking at a trunk today, and the four bar link was exactly what you expect to see aside from it has a cross strut going across from link to link for more support.....

    Also use bushings instead of a bearing, large diameter pins, thick wide brackets.


    What are you looking to have swinging on a hinge?
     
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    Bldr_DH Monkey

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    It's going to be for a briefcase of sorts. It has a carbon fiber shell, so it won't be seeing any heavy loading at all. I just need the thing to feel solid as a rock. Most of the stiffness will come from the shell itself, but it doesn't hurt to cover all of my bases.

    Clip related: As I was popping that one off of my Straitlines to take a picture, the damn thing about took my eye out. Hit me dead center in the forehead.
     
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