what have they done wrong?
Toke up, hippies!
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In short, WA seems to have made the process to open and run a shop pretty onerous. CO way overplayed it's hand on taxation and has, if anything, made black market selling even more lucrative as a result.
i have heard that people are still going to their dealers in CO because of price in stores...if i was them, id be fine with buying it legally(!!) in a store...more variety, better quality...that is, unless pricing is bananas
My understanding, is that pricing is bananas. That said, it does seem that a lot of people are buying legit, though I think that most of these people are people who weren't smoking before it became "legal", or were perhaps just very infrequent smokers. It seems that anyone who was any kind of regular smoker before legalization has stuck with their old hookups, largely because of price. IMO, I think if CO cut the tax rate in half, it would but a huge dent in the black market. I said it earlier somewhere in this thread, but this may be one of the very few instances were the laffer curve might actually represent reality.
This is where the Oregon measure looks really good. Because of the quantity the state is well aware exists, they plan to undercut the street price including taxes so the incentive is to go to the store.
From what I read, CO was like 100% or more markup above street price. I don't know what the CO street selection is like, but with all the "excess" medical floating around here in Oregon, it's pretty damn good. Maybe less selection and a sometimes a pain in the ass vs going to the store. But if the store price is twice as much as what Steve in the park has, I think you would see the same issue as CO is seeing with only new smokers and tourists shopping the mall stores.
<edit> The idea is $130+20 taxes/oz X a billion vs $300+$150 taxes/oz X a million. The taxes are made from quantity of purchases with most of the purchases being legit. Also using existing stores/growers as well as new stores/growers to feed demand.
Washington has been having price issues because of lack of supply. Too few growers to meet demand.
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Pretty good AMA with the WaPo reporter on drug policy. Lots of info and links.
Dammit, I will fill out and drop my ballot off this weekend, I swear.
I still find it odd that in a state like Oregon where everyone votes by mail that there is still such a low turnout when compared to places that require more effort to vote.
I still find it odd that in a state like Oregon where everyone votes by mail that there is still such a low turnout when compared to places that require more effort to vote.
Lets see how 91 does today. Everyone seems to think it will pass, but will the stoners remember to turn in their ballot by 8:00 tonight?
It seems Guam is set to legalize Medical.
So, good night for stoners last night. I find the overwhelming support for pot, and the Republican sweep, confusing to say the least.
What's funny is when I went to bed 2 years ago it was passing and had failed by the morning. I was almost scared to look this morning. 
since DC just legalized recreational weed, how does congress have the authority to veto the bill that passed?
that didnt answer my question though. it basically just told me that legalized pcp might be next
If only they could use that money to arm teachers to protect the kids from crazy potheads.
That's the conservative solution of course, but what would be the liberal solution ? Possibly to remove Twinkies from all public schools as to not attract the potheads and to reduce childhood obesity rates.
i guess you slept through michelle o's fantastic school lunch program?
I kinda thought that was the point. If Oregon prices and taxes like they claim, it will undercut the black market as well.
Fucking brilliant congress. Correct me if I am wrong but this measure essentially legalizes possession but leaves the supply chain in the hands of criminals. As seen in Wa and Co, illegal supplies are probably cheaper. This will basically provide a more plentiful uncontrolled untaxed supply in place. Reaping none of the benefits of legalization while increasing many of the negative impacts of marijuana.
Legislation based on ideology, not common sense or what is best for the actual people. How many of these morons spew on about Democracy, Freedumb, libertarianism, reduced intrusion from the federal government?
U.S. spending bill bans funds to legalize marijuana in Washington, DC
Legislation based on ideology, not common sense or what is best for the actual people. How many of these morons spew on about Democracy, Freedumb, libertarianism, reduced intrusion from the federal government?
U.S. spending bill bans funds to legalize marijuana in Washington, DC
It also contains this. We may need a Syadasti irony ruling.
*edit: Just realized that a link to NORML might not be kosher for some of your work places so here is the text:
"The final version of the House omnibus appropriations bill includes the Rohrabacher-Farr amendment, which was approved by the House of Representatives earlier this year. The amendment restricts the Department of Justice and the Drug Enforcement Administration from using taxpayer funds to interfere in state-sanctioned medical marijuana programs in the 20+ states that have enacted them.
NORML supporters have rallied in favor of this provision, with over 22,000 emails and countless direct calls being directed at federal lawmakers regarding the amendment this year.
“This amendment is an important step towards relieving the tension between federal and state policy when it comes to medical marijuana,” stated NORML Communications Director Erik Altieri, “By restricting these agencies in this manner, the nearly two dozen states that implemented medical marijuana programs can hopefully breathe easier knowing federal money won’t be spent to interfere with their progress. We hope this leads to further reforms at the federal level further enshrining this sentiment into law.”
The House is expect to hold a final vote on this bill in the next couple of days, with a Senate vote to follow.
- See more at: http://blog.norml.org/2014/12/09/federal-omnibus-includes-amendment-to-prohibit-dojdea-from-interfering-with-state-medical-marijuana/#sthash.5i7H9sfn.dpuf"
Smoke-Um peace pipe
http://news.yahoo.com/u-wont-stand-way-indian-tribes-want-grow-164805684.html
http://news.yahoo.com/u-wont-stand-way-indian-tribes-want-grow-164805684.html
Lets see what the local to me Rez has to say about this,
http://www.goldendalesentinel.com/story/2014/11/19/news/yakama-nation-still-seeks-to-outlaw-pot-on-ceded-lands/5081.html
"Know this: If you do not like and respect our laws and our police, all we have to do is call our federal partners to assist us. Both tribal law and federal law are consistent in this regard. Further, our treaty requires us to turn over those that commit depredations on our lands to the federal government. That we will do!" - Harry Smiskin, Chairman, Yakama Nation
I wonder if he's still going to keep fighting it.
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Evidence not black enough?
Whatever works. The ATF is going to need to find a hobby.
waaahh! we're stuck in the 19th century and dont like change.waaaahh!
http://www.denverpost.com/marijuana/ci_27163543/nebraska-and-oklahoma-sue-colorado-over-marijuana-legalization
god, why cant PA have a AG with a backbone and the fortitude to do her job that she was elected to do
http://www.denverpost.com/marijuana/ci_27163543/nebraska-and-oklahoma-sue-colorado-over-marijuana-legalization
god, why cant PA have a AG with a backbone and the fortitude to do her job that she was elected to do
So Nebraska and Oklahoma are concerned with people bringing legal CO weed into their states. Hmmm, like anyone buying weed would stop in either state. They obviously have over estimated their tourist appeal.