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Tom DeLay Indicted? Bill Frist under investigation?

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  1. DRB

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    Weren't there threads about this stuff?

    Anyway Delay was a real star on the Sunday news shows.

    But that doesn't seem to be the opinion of other GOP members

    And this....

    and the Democrats love this apparently

    The question is can they do anything with it?
     
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    Tenchiro Attention K Mart Shoppers

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    The question should be, will the American people do anything about this whne these types are up for re-election?
     
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    I sure hope so but somwhow that trashbag always seem to bounce back.
    He is the king of special interest/lobbyist groups $$$ which is amazing considering how much the current administration seems to be influenced by them.
    I know all political parties get graft but and it irks me so but in all honesty the current republicans sure do seem to be caught up in it pretty deep.

    For the sake of democracy the guy should be made an example.
     
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  4. DRB

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    Sadly enough DeLay is probably safe unless they lock him up. Frist on the other hand might have a little more trouble as he has to deal with the entire state.
     
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    N8 v2.0 Not the sharpest tool in the shed

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    I wasn't aware he'd already been tried and convicted yet...
     
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    He hasn't. But it does cause problems for Republican leadership in both that DeLay has to at least temporarily step down and two the rank and file is not laying down him in the short term as he probably expected.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9558564/site/newsweek/

    The historical parallels are interesting as well.

    Couple all of that with Frist's troubles. And the currently unknown results of Fitzgeralds' report on the whole Plame leak fiasco. Shall I go on? There is more. And lots of it centers around Abramoff.
     
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    LOL - sucha die hard... I'm sure you were willing to wait until the Clinton mess was figured out before passing judgement.

    Unfortunately these guys are so well conected and the democrats are so weak that nothing will happen. They will get a slap on the writst... MAYBE.
     
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    No with Clinton, it wasn't about the crime, it was about the LIE. We don't care about crimes, but lying to the American people is just wrong.

    Thankfully, Delay and Frist have never lied to the American people.
     
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    http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/03/delay.indictment/index.html

    Money laundering.... excellent.

    This is interesting. Conspiracy doesn't apply to election code. I guess politics is one big conspiracy. The other part is that the second indictiment didn't take anytime at all. It seems the first took forever.

    That would be the Republican controlled ethics committee.
     
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    The conspiracy charge got dropped. It was dropped because the crime alleged by the indictment was not extended to election code until a year after the incident.

    However, the remaining indictments stand.
     
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    Reactor Turbo Monkey

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    This is pretty much SSDD for the republicans. They have a great PR machine and somehow seem to get away with outrageous acts. Heck, I sometimes see their denials and bombastic PR spin before I see the actual story. The Democrats, on the other hand, really need to get their stuff in one sock, their relationship to the very conservative American press isn't the best. They don't seem to fully realize the power of the media. They frequently seem blindsided, their best speaker, Daschle, lost his local election. I think in the end they'll weasel out of the charges. The evidence I've seen so far looks pretty convincing, but they haven't defended themselves in court yet.

    Looking to the future, I think Daschle probably the best Democratic candidate, McCain is probably the best Republican, and they are both better than what we have now. McCain isn't likely to get the type of support Bush got from the religious extremists .
     
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    Even with the calls of victory from the Delay camp, it is far from that. The conspiracy charge was going to be a reach. However, the money laundering case is more serious of the two carrying a much bigger penalty. Additionally it is a much easier case to prove.

    Another interesting sidenote is that while the Senate is going to be back in session around the 18th of January, the House appears to be holding off until the 31st of January. This seems to be to allow the maximum amount of time for DeLay to resolve these issues so that he can reclaim is post. This is based on the fact that as soon as the House goes in session, there is going to be a HUGE push for a leadership election. There is also some belief that even if the court case is not resolved, DeLay may make a play to get his post back anyway. The rule that caused him to step down is an internal House GOP rule not an official House rule, so at anytime the GOP could change or modify the rule.