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Toshi

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Hey @I Are Baboon any tips on hot tub purchasing? I just send out a round of website contact form solicitations to a few local (to Grand County) companies. Anything in particular I should be looking out for? This would be on the already-flat surface of my deck. At 7 cents/kWh off-peak power rates seems like I should go for electric heat +/- some sort of control box to minimize 22 cents/kWh peak (5-10 PM for all but Sunday) rates.
 

Toshi

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I am going to have the wheels rebuilt as 29ers
Turns out the two bike shops local to me don't do wheel building/rebuilding anymore, and one expressed skepticism that anyone would touch that hub motor anyway. :D

So fat bike rims they remain. I de-Tannus Armoured the flatted culprit wheel:



valve had ripped clean out of the tube somehow. too many torques from the electric?!



put in Mr. Tuffy liners (they're still around!) and a standard tube after redoing the rim strip and securing said strip down with double sided tape



Now it's all put back together, and I trimmed down that pain in the ass Tannus insert in case I need to turn to it again, in which case I'll use it just as a liner instead of the horrible tube-inside-middle-of-it business it's supposed to be run as



Electric bits all work after getting everything back together, too. Such a pain in the ass design: to remove or remount the rear wheel requires loosening one big nut, undoing a bolt for a retention device holding the left side of the axle in, unscrewing the derailleur, and finally releasing the right dropout torque sensor plate thing from the right side of the rear triangle with 3 other bolts. Oh, and undoing the connectors for the torque sensor and the drive/Hall sensor leads for the motor itself.
 

Toshi

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Possible specs for the 3-row Kia EV9 via a survey sent to some prospective buyers.

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The two lower trims are RWD (thus half the horsepower). The higher AWD trims will be nice, no doubt, but at those price points Volvo and others will be at play, too.

 
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Toshi

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Oct 23, 2001
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Hey @I Are Baboon any tips on hot tub purchasing? I just send out a round of website contact form solicitations to a few local (to Grand County) companies. Anything in particular I should be looking out for? This would be on the already-flat surface of my deck. At 7 cents/kWh off-peak power rates seems like I should go for electric heat +/- some sort of control box to minimize 22 cents/kWh peak (5-10 PM for all but Sunday) rates.
IAB is ignoring me

:(

anyway, I've gotten some quotes and shall do a bit of reading on these individual models. they all look very similar on paper and the quotes are all in a similar range roughly:

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Vacasa used to have a program where they'd basically float the price of a hot tub and charge it against income from the house over a year. But they're not doing that now, hmph. They will take care of maintenance at least.
 

Toshi

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Things I never want to do - sit in a hot tub with 8 other people.
and probably with prior renters' jizz remnants from hot tub sexing

:(

although since the hot tub will be on the deck perhaps that will quell that behavior a bit, and the chlorine should make it all just random amino acids at that point... right?!
 

Toshi

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Related to my original hot tub query: anyone have any experience with swim spas? Colorado Custom Spa guy will get me specifics tomorrow when he's back in the office, but his initial reply while mobile when I asked about them was

"My swim spas start at $20k and go up from there. You can get a pretty decent sized swim spa for about $26k. If you just wanted to use it as a giant hot tub, the $20k one is a pretty great deal."

Mentally $20k is certainly within a rounding error from the larger non-swim ones, and I'd stretch for $26k if it's demonstrably better. Being able to swim in it would be awesome.
 

Atomic Dog

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Related to my original hot tub query: anyone have any experience with swim spas? Colorado Custom Spa guy will get me specifics tomorrow when he's back in the office, but his initial reply while mobile when I asked about them was

"My swim spas start at $20k and go up from there. You can get a pretty decent sized swim spa for about $26k. If you just wanted to use it as a giant hot tub, the $20k one is a pretty great deal."

Mentally $20k is certainly within a rounding error from the larger non-swim ones, and I'd stretch for $26k if it's demonstrably better. Being able to swim in it would be awesome.
You want to put a swim spa on a deck? That seems...unwise.
 

Toshi

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You want to put a swim spa on a deck? That seems...unwise.
The other hot tubs we're looking at are already big bois… 550 gallons of water, etc.

if the vendor says no then I'll certainly not push it. But if they think it's ok

edit: Spa Man checked out the deck on the 23rd:

I checked out the deck this afternoon. The deck should fit whatever size spa you want to go with. It looks like we’ll need to use a crane to install a spa on the deck.
Caveat for the quote is that swim spas weren't in the discussion at that point.
 
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Toshi

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Current working info. Got quotes from Spa Man for the R8 and, for kicks, the very expensive Bullfrog "small" swim spa.

Since Spa Man is local to Grand County if I go Bullfrog I'll go with his outfit. The two TBD swim spa options from (Denver-based but will deliver and install to Grand County) CO Custom Spas are intriguing, though.
 

canadmos

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and probably with prior renters' jizz remnants from hot tub sexing

:(

although since the hot tub will be on the deck perhaps that will quell that behavior a bit, and the chlorine should make it all just random amino acids at that point... right?!
When we had 6 or 8 guys on a trip to North Carolina a few years ago, we got a place with a hot tub. It was in the winter and we believe it wasn't maintained to the highest standard, but boy howdy, by the end of the week the water in that tub looked like it came out of a swamp in Brazil.

We shocked the heck out of it mid trip, but there was no helping the colour of the water or the smell.

Yes, perhaps some beer was spilled in it and yes perhaps someone might have climbed in after a ride without shower first, but....okay yeah those don't help in the least.

But yeah, not sure what they were going to do to clean it. It was never mentioned or brought up by the owner or manager when we left. Maybe they didn't check it, due to it being the winter? It was rented via VRBO.
 

Toshi

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My eldest kid is 10 today. :)

Unrelated to her birthday, she also got her Star Reading test results back today from 1/6/23. Her grade equivalent score on that test is 11.7: "Based on national norms, Mariko's reading skills are comparable to those of a typical 11th grader in the seventh month of the school year."

Not bad, kid

:D
 

Toshi

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Since Spa Man is local to Grand County if I go Bullfrog I'll go with his outfit. The two TBD swim spa options from (Denver-based but will deliver and install to Grand County) CO Custom Spas are intriguing, though.
So the two he was thinking of turned out to be the Passion Activity 1 and 2.


And they just don’t seem they be suitable for my house, which sleeps 13 if you will recall. 3 seats! It’s really a swim spa that has a few jetted seats as an afterthought.

I’m thinking the Bullfrog S150 might actually be the way to go: 13 seats! Swimmable. And since I could get it through the Spa Man, who is based in Grand County, ongoing local support without summoning people from Denver.


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It is expensive but the swim feature really is compelling imo. Plus it’d also just be a really big hot tub. I’m thinking pull the trigger on it +/- their own captive financing after I close on my EQB purchase (and by that time have a much more solid handle on how the interior renovation process is going with its associated finances).
 

Toshi

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You want to put a swim spa on a deck? That seems...unwise.
Can’t sleep so time to post. I’ve also been getting justified pushback on my NASIOC mountain house thread re the deck and the swim spa’s weight.

Ok, I will grant to you all that the deck’s worthiness for the load does need some formal investigation beyond the sales guy’s eyeballing it. So I will get that done.

I also got a quip there summed up in Watz’s recurring :lol: reaction to my various plans re the ridiculousness of the finance side of all this I think I can rationally justify that by my projected expenses dropping over the next few years (thus allowing for quite some debt service given that I am afloat as it is at baseline even with maxing out all the ample tax deferred spaces available to me, etc.).

Monthly expenses going away in the medium term:

- $1,600 for kid 3’s preschool, ending or going down radically via Denver Preschool Program subsidies May 2023, gone completely May 2024 as public kindergarten shall be up next for her by then

- $314 for the 0% interest 12 mo loan on the treadmill, January 2024. 0 interest is 0 interest.

- just under $2,700 for our combined student loans (fuzzy figure because they’re variable rate and rates have been floating up, thus they go up by a dollar or three each month as of late), Dec 2024.

- $941 for the 5 year self-loan from my 403(b) that I utilized in my financial shenanigans to swing the initial 10% down mountain house loan in May 2021 (since refinanced via magic increased appraised value after some improvements to a conventional jumbo @ 2.375%), April 2026.

So those are the big ones I can think of. I think given their magnitude trading a bit of interest now for pushing off expenses beyond their horizon (where I can pay them off quicker than term if not at good rates) seems perfectly rational, especially since much/all of the house improvements will be reflected in increased appraised value. Recall the most recent appraisal for the mountain explicitly called out its weird-ass layout as depressing its value.

Cliffs Notes: trading debt maturing soonish for more debt maturing later so not really loading the cart down more contrary to appearances.
 

Toshi

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the deck’s worthiness for the load does need some formal investigation beyond the sales guy’s eyeballing it. So I will get that done.
I looked under the hood and the last 11 stringers on the proposed hot tub side are doubled up. But there’s no dedicated header beam on the house side, just these brackets bolted in. I would feel more confident in this setup with another header and posts abutting the house wall and supporting those doubled up stringers.

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If the deck proved unsuitable then I suppose I could put it on the other side under the deck. There’s a door already there and cleaning up this space a bit would make it nicer. Would need stairs up to the paver level then the hot tub stairs alike.

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Toshi

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Ok, I will grant to you all that the deck’s worthiness for the load does need some formal investigation beyond the sales guy’s eyeballing it. So I will get that done.
Looks like I found an actual engineer that’s game. He’s based in Denver and appears to be the sole proprietor of his little outfit. Aiming for Feb 17 at the house.

$150 inspection consultation
$300 inspection report
$600 stamped drawing
Sent him the under deck photos and specs on the S150 to start.
 

Toshi

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Best start doing your sums again @Toshi

I've got my reservation for a non-launch edition. "Estimated Delivery Date: Between Late 2023 and 2024", which probably is optimistic even so. :D

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Sol White, 250 mile base battery, all the solar panels, all (3) wheel drive, Codex interior.

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Sure looks like a ski bag will fit from the back left corner of the hatch up between the passenger seats. With 3WD it'd be amazing to roll up to ski with this. :D
 

Toshi

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because I can, I did (while dropping off my Baby Aya at preschool. I unbuckled her from the drivers seat and she scooted down to the low side of the car to get out):





 

Toshi

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I’d replaced my garage door opener with one that had a battery backup two years ago, so that it’d work during a power outage. Well, we had a power outage a few weeks ago and it didn’t work.

turns out its built in 2019 battery was dead, and the logic board was faulty to boot.

one third party battery replacement and one DIY warranty replacement logic board later and now it works under battery power with no 120V input. Sure was cold working up on a ladder in the garage today!

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