You're fucking Scottish what?
trailforks is now a paid* app
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He's a crusty old bog dude. Not totally unlike yourself. But thankfully you have not descended into the chaos realm of ebikes.
Yeah, coz registered users of apps never get notified of changes to terms and conditions do they?
At least we all now know the REAL reason you have such an issue with those new fangled expensive Ebikes
Mmmm... Haggis
Yesterday I saw a video of an old guy who crashed his ebike into a bog, I thought it was you.
this is sort of my initial reaction to this news. They get their data from people freely uploading their rides. Then they want those people to pay to use the service? seems like the dog biting the hand that feeds it.
I only ever use the app when I travel. I suppose I'd be willing to pay $1.50 each time I travel. But I may also try and become better acquainted with Strava heat maps.
Yep, hoping people forget they are on a subscription and the gravy keeps coming. Although I have used it on vacation trips, I have no need for it locally, strava and others can get me to the goods (in some cases, even better than Trailforks). I'll be taking it off my phone. The other problem I had, and I never found out the right setting or if it was preventable, was every time I'd go to use the damn thing, it'd want to update, which with sketchy service would basically make it useless. An app like that should never auto-update, but I didn't know how to turn it off. No problem now.
komoot costs 20-30eur, for the world map, no extra charges
I'm local admin, have contributed a lot to the local data and info, will probably get a free Pro membership because of it, but to be honest, to lock in at 18 bucks a year in perpetuity isn't bad. I use it plenty in places I've never contributed so it's a pretty fair deal, imo. The people bitching the most about paying are still generally those who contribute the least to anything, ever.
The gps emergency location saved my ass a few weeks ago to get the paramedics to me so I am happy to pay the $18.
Commie
I already did but this year in particular has made me despise 'contributions' to things like trailforks and strava.
I've never seen so many punters (and in some cases their karen wives and kids) skidding down trails they have zero business on, yelling at people who know what they're doing riding them. Even the guys who built them explaining that they probably shouldn't be on these trails because they're going to get run over. Not even really their fault, they're just looking at 'where the bike trails are' thanks to so many uh.....'contributions.' But ski area dad and karen yelling at people about their 'rights' to be on 'public' trails that are the exact opposite of public trails is kind of a problem.
Americans don't deserve contributions. Too entitled to their services.
Things work better when the people who find trails are the people willing to put 20 minutes of work into finding trails.
They learn to skid by watching all the pro endurbro riders doing it. Can’t have a video unless you skid into every turn.
yea but their right to a medivac!
That's totally acceptable and desireable.
I'm talking fear skidding which is just evidence of hacks trying too hard......
Just kidding. No difference.
I can imagine that with real mountains it is easier to build in squirrel catchers at the start of trails, no? Here we are limited by the fact that most of the times you can clear out a ride around a feature too easy.
That reminds me.
I need to drop some trees onto a 'go around' some idiots burned in on something I built.
Squirrel catchers on trails only work with people that have self awareness. Otherwise they just walk around them. Works great on dirtjump lines, not so much on singletrack
I need to drop some trees onto a 'go around' some idiots burned in on something I built.
Squirrel catchers on trails only work with people that have self awareness. Otherwise they just walk around them. Works great on dirtjump lines, not so much on singletrack
Usually even the most stubborn folks give up if the have to walk more than 500 meters of trail because they cannot ride a single feature.
here in Murika' how far they're willing to walk past features is directly proportional to their sense of entitlement.
700' vert hike a bike up 40% grade takes care of the wankers and preserves the alpine goodness.
re subscription gravy train, looks like car manufacturers are giving it a go
Will BMW be heading inevitably in the same direction, and will all manufacturers eventually follow suit? They shot themselves in the foot trying to get buyers to pay for Apple CarPlay, something no other manufacturer charges for. “For the 2019 model year, BMW was asking Canadian buyers for $100 per year for Apple CarPlay, unless they wanted to opt for a 20-year subscription for $400,” we said in our follow-up report. “After just a few months, that price has been dropped back down to ‘free.’” Oops.
Lorraine Complains: No heated seats for you? Car subscriptions are coming
Automakers like BMW, Cadillac, and Tesla are headed in this direction—will everyone else follow suit?driving.ca
Too steep for E-bikes. I'm confident that these are quite safe. Mid teens for some of the approaches, challenging and where E-bikes can make it possible. But you get up past 25% sustained grades on loose surfaces, nope.
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Mine gets up or down any gradient my Capra does just fine. And anything involving carrying/pushing too. It's not as heavy as my DH bikes from the 90s were. We didn't even have uplift in the UK then so pushing 4+ x 700ft vert was what we did every weekend. With hangovers.
Think I've more than completed my apprenticeship in hiking with ridiculously heavy bikes thanks.
I'll believe that when I see it. Despite how crazy steep an actual 40+% grade is, those lazy enough to ride E-bikes probably aren't motivated enough to hike 20 feet, let alone a sustained hike up such grades.
A few of our trails are actually getting wrecked by people putting in ride-arounds, Strava line or B lines in places where they damage or ruin the existing line. One B line re-enters the trail in the middle of a catch berm from a drop creating a wheel-stopping hole, and another just pushes rocks and crap onto the main line. I don't care if people wanna go around features or whatever, but when they're actually fucking up the main line its frustrating as hell.
Naw, it's the kind of shit that requires ropes for some people, poles, etc. Last time I did it one hiker was remarking that some "guy was hiking with a bike on his back and I'm up here with poles!" Yeah, a 40lb bike may be do-able on some of these, but again, if it's an e-bike bro, I doubt they'd have the motivation to do this, like one is about 3500' and includes several of these ultra-steep fields. They are fun and challenging to come down, full armor affairs, not the kind of stuff anyone has a chance riding up and hiking up, even without a bike, isn't the easiest thing. Like I said, I'm not too concerned about these routes. Others, sure, they'll get to the top no problem, but some of this is going to naturally lock out those with less motivation and equipment disadvantages. I guess maybe some of the problem is some of you think I'm talking about "trails"
That said, we are starting to see the E-bikes in more and more places obviously. They are actually prohibited from the Chugach National Forest trails here, so that's nice. But we have lots of trials in the municipality and they are all out. Gets to be ridiculous, they do laps of trail segments about 1/4 mile long, tame trail, all decked out like it's a 2000' vert DH run.
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And with a Turbo Levo SL only weighing 37 pounds or so...
I take great pride in getting off my bike and walking down the main lines, not walking around them.
Well hopefully they drop them in a lake.
If they would take them out WTF would you even call that tour?
“The Type 2 diabetic dentists tour. We will fly your fat asses up to the top of a mountain in a plane, so you can sketchily ride your electric bike back to the bottom.“
Is the the ”growth” of the sport everyone was clamoring for?
