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Transgenders (oh what a fun topic)

BurlyShirley

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Ok,

I know we before went through this kind of before when it came to DH racers and the like....but what about transgenders as TEACHERS?

I think i read somewhere that in California (go figure) Transgenders are accepted as teachers. What do you guys think of this?

I would litterally flip the **** out if my kids biology teacher used to be a man, and went on teaching about reproduction and the like...but that's just me. Am I crazy for not wanting my kid to bear witness to that? Or am i, as usual, just a close minded bigot?
 

fluff

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Originally posted by BurlySurly
Ok,

II would litterally flip the **** out if my kids biology teacher used to be a man, and went on teaching about reproduction and the like...but that's just me. Am I crazy for not wanting my kid to bear witness to that? Or am i, as usual, just a close minded bigot?
You could look at it this way; maybe he/she would know some of the issues from both sides; be a more rounded experience.

<insert smiley of your choice here>
 

Silver

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Originally posted by BurlySurly
Ok,

I know we before went through this kind of before when it came to DH racers and the like....but what about transgenders as TEACHERS?

I think i read somewhere that in California (go figure) Transgenders are accepted as teachers. What do you guys think of this?

I would litterally flip the **** out if my kids biology teacher used to be a man, and went on teaching about reproduction and the like...but that's just me. Am I crazy for not wanting my kid to bear witness to that? Or am i, as usual, just a close minded bigot?
That would be a yes to your second question.
 

ohio

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Originally posted by BurlySurly
Am I crazy for not wanting my kid to bear witness to that? Or am i, as usual, just a close minded bigot?
Dude, unless your kids teacher is some some flaming cabaret former-drag-queen, neither you nor your kid would ever know the difference. And if the above were the case, that person would never get to be a teacher for many other reasons.

As far as I know, transgenders adopt a normal life of their chosen sex, and as far as they are concerned that is who they are and have always been. That they were once something else is a pretty intimate secret. I can't imagine any of them bouncing into a classroom announcing that they used to be the other sex.
 

BurlyShirley

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Originally posted by ohio
Dude, unless your kids teacher is some some flaming cabaret former-drag-queen, neither you nor your kid would ever know the difference. And if the above were the case, that person would never get to be a teacher for many other reasons.

As far as I know, transgenders adopt a normal life of their chosen sex, and as far as they are concerned that is who they are and have always been. That they were once something else is a pretty intimate secret. I can't imagine any of them bouncing into a classroom announcing that they used to be the other sex.
What other reasons?

And as far as i know...no two people are the same. I think the blanket statement you made about transgenders is a little broad. You dont know who's pushing what these days.
 

ohio

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Originally posted by BurlySurly
What other reasons?

And as far as i know...no two people are the same. I think the blanket statement you made about transgenders is a little broad. You dont know who's pushing what these days.
My point is, if they're pushing some agenda... then the AGENDA is a good reason why they'd never be allowed to teach. We generally try to filter out radical militiamen, commy loonies, and anyone else trying to foist some fringe agenda onto our kids... even if they're straight and white.

As long as the transgender teacher is teaching a normal curriculum, what's the problem?
 

DRB

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How 'bout pre op vs. post op transgenders and their choice of bathroom?

It seems to me that pre op they should be using they should be using their born bathroom choice. But post op they should use their surgical bathroom choice.

OR do we need a third bathroom to be added?

OR do we just need to have one bathroom and we all use it?

This stuff is far too complicated.
 

BurlyShirley

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Ohio,
You cannot sit there and tell me that a teacher has no personal bearing on what a kid learns in school; regardless of the cirriculum. Where i went to school, teachers were not even hired if they had visible tattoos. Yep, that's probably a little extreme to most people. But it doesnt pain me that that's even a law. Of course, some dude with an anchor on his arm probably will sue eventually and get it overturned and then dudes with flames on their necks will be showing kindergarteners how to stay within the lines. Next thing you know, tattoos are cool and acceptable and little jimmy carves susies name in his shoulder and pours in ink and we've got some wierdos rollin around. Well, Im rambling yes, but the point Im ALWAYS trying to make is that America to me is based off the very basic idea of a Family. A mom and a dad and some kids and a mortgage. And you know, things that influence kids at an early age have a huge effect. I just hate to see things decay like that.
 

DRB

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Originally posted by BurlySurly
Ohio,
You cannot sit there and tell me that a teacher has no personal bearing on what a kid learns in school; regardless of the cirriculum. Where i went to school, teachers were not even hired if they had visible tattoos. Yep, that's probably a little extreme to most people. But it doesnt pain me that that's even a law. Of course, some dude with an anchor on his arm probably will sue eventually and get it overturned and then dudes with flames on their necks will be showing kindergarteners how to stay within the lines. Next thing you know, tattoos are cool and acceptable and little jimmy carves susies name in his shoulder and pours in ink and we've got some wierdos rollin around. Well, Im rambling yes, but the point Im ALWAYS trying to make is that America to me is based off the very basic idea of a Family. A mom and a dad and some kids and a mortgage. And you know, things that influence kids at an early age have a huge effect. I just hate to see things decay like that.
What does having a tattoo and Family values have to do with each other?
 

BurlyShirley

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Originally posted by DRB
What does having a tattoo and Family values have to do with each other?
the point was to highlight the influence that teachers could have on kids. I have tatoos also.
 

BurlyShirley

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Originally posted by DRB
So then the fact that your teachers didn't have tattoos didn't seem to influence you very well.
No, the fact that my parents did was likely the deciding factor. I dont know how many kids will be having transgendered parents though.:confused:
 

$tinkle

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if i were a parent w/ a child in public schools w/ a x'gendered teacher, i would object if the teaching strayed from the curriculum. Much like any other teacher who was gay, or non-white, or old, or an amputee.....Anyone who was already/previously deemed qualified to teach.
 

laura

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Originally posted by BurlySurly
I would litterally flip the **** out if my kids biology teacher used to be a man, and went on teaching about reproduction and the like...but that's just me. Am I crazy for not wanting my kid to bear witness to that? Or am i, as usual, just a close minded bigot?


your kid will bear witness to transgenders no matter what you do. might as well show them that transgendered can be normal people who can carry on normal lives with normal jobs like teaching, rather than let them develop stereotyped ideas of people whose gender idenities dont fit "in the box".
 

DRB

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Originally posted by $tinkle
if i were a parent w/ a child in public schools w/ a x'gendered teacher, i would object if the teaching strayed from the curriculum. Much like any other teacher who was gay, or non-white, or old, or an amputee.....Anyone who was already/previously deemed qualified to teach.
How 'bout getting newly qualified to teach?
 

DRB

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Originally posted by laura
your kid will bear witness to transgenders no matter what you do. might as well show them that transgendered can be normal people who can carry on normal lives with normal jobs like teaching, rather than let them develop stereotyped ideas of people whose gender idenities dont fit "in the box".
I am 36 years old, relatively intelligent, been all over the world, soon to be a father and I am having to use all my will power to avoid making a stupid (but funny to me) crack about "in the box".

I amaze myself sometimes.
 

BurlyShirley

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Originally posted by DRB
Okay so the influence your parents had over you was much greater than that of your teachers?
As i see where youre going with this, the two do not necessarily cancel one another out. I mean, most transgenders probably had neither teacher nor parents who made the conversion...but you're taking my point too literally anyways. I dont mean to say that all kids with transgender teachers will become transgenders themselves. I just do not like the point being made by the government, or the transgenders themselves to kids that becoming a transgender is just "another option" for someone, like getting a tatoo or buying an SUV. Its a lifestyle choice that i think should not be exposed to children. Much like crossdressers or something of the like. I think it could mentally HURT my child to be exposed to such.
 

BurlyShirley

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Originally posted by DRB
I am 36 years old, relatively intelligent, been all over the world, soon to be a father and I am having to use all my will power to avoid making a stupid (but funny to me) crack about "in the box".

I amaze myself sometimes.
Hehe,

I was just gunna say. If I have sons...I hope they like "the box" and dont choose to get " a box".


I guess thats the point of this whole thread put crudely.:)
 

DRB

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Originally posted by BurlySurly
As i see where youre going with this, the two do not necessarily cancel one another out. I mean, most transgenders probably had neither teacher nor parents who made the conversion...but you're taking my point too literally anyways. I dont mean to say that all kids with transgender teachers will become transgenders themselves. I just do not like the point being made by the government, or the transgenders themselves to kids that becoming a transgender is just "another option" for someone, like getting a tatoo or buying an SUV. Its a lifestyle choice that i think should not be exposed to children. Much like crossdressers or something of the like. I think it could mentally HURT my child to be exposed to such.
So you are not concerned about the fact that a transgender teacher is going to "convert" a child to transgenderism but that it signals to them that being a transgender is okay?
 

BurlyShirley

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Originally posted by laura
your kid will bear witness to transgenders no matter what you do. might as well show them that transgendered can be normal people who can carry on normal lives with normal jobs like teaching, rather than let them develop stereotyped ideas of people whose gender idenities dont fit "in the box".

True they must witness them sometime. But Id like that time to be on Maury Povich not in the classroom.
 

laura

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Originally posted by DRB
I am 36 years old, relatively intelligent, been all over the world, soon to be a father and I am having to use all my will power to avoid making a stupid (but funny to me) crack about "in the box".

I amaze myself sometimes.


I was just gunna say. If I have sons...I hope they like "the box" and dont choose to get " a box".

you guys really crack me up sometimes.
 

$tinkle

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Originally posted by DRB
I am 36 years old, relatively intelligent, been all over the world, soon to be a father and I am having to use all my will power to avoid making a stupid (but funny to me) crack about "in the box".

I amaze myself sometimes.
i also am 36, mildly intelligent, have been around, am a newish parent, & snickered at your juxtaposition of "crack" to "in the box".

i bore myself (& others)
 

DRB

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Originally posted by $tinkle
i also am 36, mildly intelligent, have been around, am a newish parent, & snickered at your juxtaposition of "crack" to "in the box".

i bore myself (& others)
Good lord I didn't even notice. Maybe my intelligence isn't all that relevant.
 

BurlyShirley

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Originally posted by DRB
So you are not concerned about the fact that a transgender teacher is going to "convert" a child to transgenderism but that it signals to them that being a transgender is okay?
Let me put it this way.

Some things are beyond what i expect a child should be able to understand and accept at a young age. Some issues should not be pushed on children before theyre at the realm of understanding. Understanding a transgender (mommy, why does mrs. jones have an adam's apple?) should come WAY after the birds and the bees talk IMO.

School just aint the place for it. Especially elementary school.
 

Andyman_1970

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Not to take away from the teacher being transgendered debate.

My wife worked with a "guy" (Frank) who was a woman (Fancise sp?). She got a sex change because, get this, she wanted to be a gay man................

I still can't figure that out, I mean when she was a woman, she could be with men (and it be "normal"), so why change to a man so you can be with men. :confused:

Anyway, I thought it would be an interesting anecdote to add to the thread.
 

DRB

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Originally posted by BurlySurly
Let me put it this way.

Some things are beyond what i expect a child should be able to understand and accept at a young age. Some issues should not be pushed on children before theyre at the realm of understanding. Understanding a transgender (mommy, why does mrs. jones have an adam's apple?) should come WAY after the birds and the bees talk IMO.

School just aint the place for it. Especially elementary school.
I doubt that most (if any) would even notice.
 

ohio

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Originally posted by BurlySurly
Ohio,
You cannot sit there and tell me that a teacher has no personal bearing on what a kid learns in school; regardless of the cirriculum.
I'm not telling you that. I expect teachers to be dynamic to express their opinions and distinguish them from fact, and to teach their students concepts beyond what the government filters into textbooks. These things include responsibility, inter-personal skills, time management, creativity, and, yes, even tolerance. To me this is acceptable coming from any teacher.

A teacher discussing concepts of physical love and sex before their students have had "sex ed" is unacceptable whether it comes from a transgender teacher, a WASPy male teacher, or a midget in a clown suit.
 

$tinkle

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Originally posted by BurlySurly
Some things are beyond what i expect a child should be able to understand and accept at a young age. Some issues should not be pushed on children before theyre at the realm of understanding. Understanding a transgender (mommy, why does mrs. jones have an adam's apple?) should come WAY after the birds and the bees talk IMO.
i never waited to understand somebody before making fun of them.
 

RhinofromWA

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Originally posted by LordOpie
what if the tranny was a PE teacher prancing around the locker room? Huh?
Thinking back to Middle school.............I might of had a tranny PE teacher. :think:

If not she should have been :D