Travel resumption post-COVID
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Which hopefully won't take more than 7-12 months. If it will, say bye to the world as we know it.
But the stock market will be humming along
"No coronavirus vaccine has ever been produced"
Scientists fear the hunt for a coronavirus vaccine will fail and we will all have to live with the 'constant threat' of COVID-19
No vaccine for any other form of coronavirus has ever been approved for use, leading some scientists to fear none will be found for COVID-19 either.
www.businessinsider.com
I'm going to try and avoid work flights for as long as I can and if I do need to fly this year I need to find some N95 masks.
Unfortunately not getting to see family in the UK is problematic.
Unfortunately not getting to see family in the UK is problematic.
N95 unless perfectly sealed is no better than a standard surgical mask, afaik. And if perfectly sealed you're not going to want it on for a full travel day, as you'd get hypoxic.
Study in ESRD patients but you get the point:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Study in ESRD patients but you get the point:
The physiological impact of wearing an N95 mask during hemodialysis as a precaution against SARS in patients with end-stage renal disease - PubMed
Wearing an N95 mask for 4 hours during HD significantly reduced PaO2 and increased respiratory adverse effects in ESRD patients.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I avoid planes whenever possible anyway. I think I've flown once or twice not related to work in the last 15 years.
Going back to sardine cans in the sky.....y'all have fun with that. I'm kind of enjoying seeing the sky lately.
Going back to sardine cans in the sky.....y'all have fun with that. I'm kind of enjoying seeing the sky lately.
i would love to drive west.....there are just too many states i do not want to drive through....
Pretty much anything post Covid is going to be predicated on vaccine availability. Assuming they figure out a vaccine, and we convince enough people to quit being dumbasses and get vaccinated, travel should return to normal shortly thereafter. Even before a vaccine I imagine the travel industry will spring back, maybe not to full capacity, but there will be plenty of travel once case numbers start dropping. I'd give it 6-9 months before most tourist destinations start seeing at least their off-season numbers during whatever their main season is. Economic recovery will be the ultimate obstacle, not the actual virus.
Travel will likely change a bit though, I think masks are going to become fairly commonplace on airplanes, you'll see way more sanitizer and wiping of surfaces, things like that. I'd be surprised if the cruise industry survives, and really hope they don't. Give those floating environmental hate crimes to the Navy for target practice, and then let some fish live on them.
Travel will likely change a bit though, I think masks are going to become fairly commonplace on airplanes, you'll see way more sanitizer and wiping of surfaces, things like that. I'd be surprised if the cruise industry survives, and really hope they don't. Give those floating environmental hate crimes to the Navy for target practice, and then let some fish live on them.
I'm picturing something similar to what happened post 2008 recession: further consolidation, bankruptcies of 'companies' now controlling airlines will just make way for more predatory, profit driven boards under new names.
Just the kind of thing you want happening with airplanes.
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As soon as they lift restrictions I will travel in my mobile isolation pod (camper) to go camp in the boonies. I never fly or stay in hotels. I will continue to mask up and glove up for a long time when faced with hoards of mouth breathing knuckle draggers , sort of like near the trail head on today's ride where I stopped and put on a mask before riding into the trail head and I kept it on for the first few miles of unmasked clots of stupidity.
Say hi to the zillion other #vanlife'ers parking right next to you.
This weekend in tahoe looks like June 30 of last year. I'm sure everywhere else is the same (although with slightly less douchebag factor that this place attracts now).
Same. If this is the new norm, I am out of here.
Naw most of the Van Lifers don't really end up where I go. We usually see no one and need our 4x4 to get in and out. Places like the back side of Shasta which takes 20 miles of beat up Forest Circus road to get to.
sheep heaven!
Your supposed to drive them at night.
No plans to fly but hope to drive to Stockholm later this month.
Yup. Driven East to West cross country 3 times. Would drive nonstop short of a few naps until Utah, tended to go through all the worst shit at night and hit sunrise somewhere around Colorado/Wyoming. Would get a hotel when I cross over into Utah.
Hell yeah, same here!! I will NEVER forget the skies over NY in the days and weeks after 911, they were so clear and it was so quiet.
After the casinos closed, wife and I have been up to Tahoe twice, going to Kings Beach for lunch dates, and wow, how empty the roads are. Tahoe Biltmore is boarded up like they're expecting a hurricane or such. Wife hated to fly before, and now, she won't consider it. That will make for the long 11-hr drive if I want to visit family in Phoenix!
OH well, at least we have our dogs to keep us entertained!!!
You obviously weren't here this past weekend. Things changed.
The biltmore has been remodeling regardless of the covid. That started before.
I'm going to push back hard on work flights, until I have some assurance of my own immunity (ha!) a vaccine (haha!) or I get a plane to myself.
All those CEOs who want us to go back to work are helping the private charter jet industry boom.
like wanting a guarantee you will never get hurt riding your bike.....
you get it.
trying my hardest....
Nah
I tell my employer all the time "I don't take chances at work because I do all that on my free time"
I'm a bit nervous as Sept/Oct is when I'll likely have to be traveling to Wisconsin often to setup production at a CMO for a new product...and baby #2 is coming in early October.
Might take advantage of the 12 weeks paternity leave after all.
Might take advantage of the 12 weeks paternity leave after all.
I was trying to decide between 12 weeks off straight right after birth, or something like 3 day work weeks for X months as to not completely disrupt project timing/work life, something I'd like to avoid (I actually enjoy my job and the current project is very involved). Plus I figured I'd be wanting to return to normal work life after all the WFH/quarantine as much as possible, especially if this keeps going on.
I already told my boss when she's due, and I'm not entirely sure how I want to take the time off given all that. Obviously if the 3yo is still not back in daycare by then, that makes the decision to stay home for the full 12 weeks that much easier...
I already told my boss when she's due, and I'm not entirely sure how I want to take the time off given all that. Obviously if the 3yo is still not back in daycare by then, that makes the decision to stay home for the full 12 weeks that much easier...
Aaargh. This topic is making me crazy right now.
1. I travel about 50% for work (North, Central & South America). Management is already hinting that it is time for me to get back on the road. A combination of factors like my current 50% furlough, the limited number of customers who are currently allowing anyone on-site, etc. is probably why I haven't been given explicit orders to get on a plane yet. I am deciding how hard I am going to push back against that. Demand first-class only seating? Demand hazard pay? Quit?
2. Here is the real conflict for me - I plan to put my parents (early 70s) on a plane this Weds morning to fly from PDX to BOS!!! They live in MA and have been stuck out here since the start of this whole COVID-19 debacle. They tried repeatedely to get out of here when flights were empty, but kept getting canceled. Now, they want to go home before the second wave hits. While I understand that desire, I also worry about them becoming part of second wave. They understand the precautions that they need to take and they will be flying first class, but NOT flying is still safer. I am also feeling more than a little guilty, because life with them and my wife in a 1500 sq ft house is getting cramped and nervy. Life with them breathing through a tube on the other side of the country sounds worse though. Fawk!!
1. I travel about 50% for work (North, Central & South America). Management is already hinting that it is time for me to get back on the road. A combination of factors like my current 50% furlough, the limited number of customers who are currently allowing anyone on-site, etc. is probably why I haven't been given explicit orders to get on a plane yet. I am deciding how hard I am going to push back against that. Demand first-class only seating? Demand hazard pay? Quit?
2. Here is the real conflict for me - I plan to put my parents (early 70s) on a plane this Weds morning to fly from PDX to BOS!!! They live in MA and have been stuck out here since the start of this whole COVID-19 debacle. They tried repeatedely to get out of here when flights were empty, but kept getting canceled. Now, they want to go home before the second wave hits. While I understand that desire, I also worry about them becoming part of second wave. They understand the precautions that they need to take and they will be flying first class, but NOT flying is still safer. I am also feeling more than a little guilty, because life with them and my wife in a 1500 sq ft house is getting cramped and nervy. Life with them breathing through a tube on the other side of the country sounds worse though. Fawk!!
@chuffed
1st class seating + masks is about the safest they're gonna get. Vents off, gloves and sanitizer, try to not touch anything.
1st class seating + masks is about the safest they're gonna get. Vents off, gloves and sanitizer, try to not touch anything.
at their age is driving out of the question?