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Trek Awarded REAL Split Pivot Patent: 7,837,213

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  1. bradflyn

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    Congratulations to James Colegrove, Dylan Howes and Jose Gonzales of Trek on being granted the spilt pivot patent in October and receiving their patent number in November.

    After a long discussion with the patent examiner and many official letters from the designers about the conception and production of split pivot samples, the guys proved they designed, made and even test rode split pivot frames before Dave Weagle was able to file his patent. The Session 77 and a Patty Fatty test bikes have proven more valueable than just initial concept test bikes but through emails and other internal official documents from James, Dylan and Andrew Shandro, they have been started before Dave.

    Trek looks to continue strong now that the patent office has finally concluded an extensively long look into prior art, historical data and personal interviews with the many guys involved with this from the start.

    Congratulations to all.
     

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  2. IH8Rice

    IH8Rice I'm Mr. Negative! I Fail!

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    you must really hate DW. did he not call you back after a date or something?
     
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    Bro, is dw & split pivot the only things you have to post here? Very suspect.
     
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    so how exactly does this affect patent 7,717,212 (awarded May 18 2010, filed August 25, 2006)?

    When did Trek file their patent for ABP?

    Based on the above statement (assuming its all true, not that I'm trying to refute it), and assuming Trek filed their patent AFTER dw did, from an IP perspective all this means is that DW can't go after Trek for patent infringement.
     
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    he just suggested we all read the file wrapper for the patents which log every comminucation between the patent office and the inventor. It holds the history to how a patent comes to be if granted.

    Reading both the Trek and Weagle applications file publicly available in PAIR has been interesting because all the rumors on the internet can be answered in their files of who did what and when and maybe even why there never was anyone licensing an idea from the other waiting for these to come to an out come.

    Good luck and congratulations to all for this different solution that dates back to 1890 for vibration contol on velocipeds.
     
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    You mean the "have-the-floating-brake-arm-drive-the-shock-or-make-the-floating-arm-more-structural-and-all-parties-involved-with-this-patent-wreak-of-patent-trolling-pivot" ????

    Seriously, these increasingly common, vaguely written suspension patents are super lame. Especially the ones that wreak of patent trolling such as SP/ABP and that new Santa Cruz one.
     
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    Not sure what is next but after many declarations from Trek and an interview with the patent examiner, Trek was able to prove right to prior so Dave's prior date was not held against them as prior art meaning they should be seen as first.

    From here it all gets messy. Best of luck to all. At the end of the day bikes should be fun to ride.
     
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    Thanks for sharing that :butcher:
     
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    Wow, work for Trek much? Or do you just hate Dave? Pretty funny that your entire post history consists of bashing dave, or split pivot.
     
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    Awwwwwwww, did your robot take 2nd place to DW's at the 1993 science fair?
    Would he not play tummysticks with you at Computer camp?

    Yaw need to hug and make up.
     
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    having prior artwork doesn't change the filing dates on the patents. All it can possibly prove is that they developed the same idea independently and earlier, and the only outcome of this is that it means that they cannot be found liable for patent infringement in the event that dw would go after them for it.

    Trek however WAS first to market, but again, does not change the filing dates on the patents.
     
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    and I believe this is also why Chumba racing is allowed to sell bikes that use the FSR (Horst Link) design for which Specialized owns the patent. Chumba did not patent this design, but they were able to provide prior artwork that they designed it independently and before FSR was patented, so Specialized cannot touch them, and they can continue to sell their bikes with that suspension.

    (if this info isn't accurate, please feel free to correct it)
     
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    And os the tags have begun I see...:rofl:
     
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    Ok so from that little jpeg you attached this patent hasn't technically been issued yet (November 23rd 2010?) lol.

    Also, looking up the application, Trek filed AFTER dw. So them having prior artwork isn't enough to nullify dw's patent. All it means is that they are free and clear to produce bikes with ABP without fear that dw will go after them for patent infringement.
     
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    I think this forum needs to be renamed: "DW Apologists/Evangelists."
     
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    I just like arguing about IP.
     
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    Seriously - i care about this why?

    Because it affects who gets the $15 licensing fee?

    I know this places is a little DW-centric at times, but you are coming across as too spiteful and biased for me.

    Edit: I really did mentally check the date when i read the first post. It's November Brad, not April. What a waste of a rad prank this is.
     
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    My thoughts exactly. No real info but a lot of trek adverstising and damage control after they lost some rep with the whole patent battle. Smells of Trekkies for me ;)
     
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    Not to mention how he obtained that memo... seeing as how the patent hasn't officially been released/published yet. A letter of that kind from the Patent Office would generally only be sent to the applicants or legal department of the company they work for :clue:
     
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    maybe he knows some people that know some people that robbed some people.
     
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    it fell off the back of a truck


    no no wait wait wait I got it


    :van rolls up: my boss ordered them and they sent us some extras :rofl:
     
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    ^ I don't know about anybody else, but this was really funny.
     
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    it happened to me all the time at the electronics store i worked at. we just laughed
     
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    I honestly doubt Trek would employ someone lacking enough professional common sense to make a post like this on the internet. But way to point fingers?
     
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    It goes without saying that if this thread were in any way affiliated with Trek, that it would have been removed many hours ago. I think people on here are a bit too quick to think that this is anything more than some douche with a grudge slinging mud on the tubes.
     
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    Soooooooooo what it is going to happen now. Split Pivot Patent is Dead???
     
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    dw split pivot your mom