Anyone have any info or pics on the 05 Trek Session 77 frame? Ive seen the pics of Shandros' a while ago on NSMB.com but wondering if they changed anything on the final product.
Trek Session 77 ??????
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I work at a shop that carries trek. I will see if I can scan some pages of the 05 catalog for ya. Trek also had a few other models coming out in addition to the 77 and 7. The Bruiser series- Two of them are hardtails, and one, the Bruiser 3 i believe, is a Deisel frame with crappy components. Retails for $1,050!
Gary Fisher also has two new DH/FR lines coming out. Not just rip offs of the Deisel this time either.
Ill try to scan some pages, but Im warning you, im not very "tech-savvy".
Gary Fisher also has two new DH/FR lines coming out. Not just rip offs of the Deisel this time either.
Ill try to scan some pages, but Im warning you, im not very "tech-savvy".
Hi octane Fuel!!!!!!!!
That's a hot looking bike.
Anyone know the i2i of the shock?
Anyone know the i2i of the shock?
Very sexy.FlipSide said:
Boy good thing they put on a triple ring on it, now I can use it in the local dirt crit series 
As hard as they try they are not in touch with what people are doing with these types of bikes.
Not to mention its a rehashed Stinky with big pivots, not an ounce of innovation. They have done nothing to this point to push freeriding and are chasing after the scraps of the market.
Maybe Lance will ride one and up the sales
As hard as they try they are not in touch with what people are doing with these types of bikes. Not to mention its a rehashed Stinky with big pivots, not an ounce of innovation. They have done nothing to this point to push freeriding and are chasing after the scraps of the market.
Maybe Lance will ride one and up the sales
So Saint componants aren't meant for freeride? Shimano must be doing something wrong then, having the option of three rings on freeride/dh oriented cranks.Zark said:Boy good thing they put on a triple ring on it, now I can use it in the local dirt crit series
Not to mention its a rehashed Stinky with big pivots, not an ounce of innovation. They have done nothing to this point to push freeriding and are chasing after the scraps of the market.
Maybe Lance will ride one and up the sales
And yes, the 77 has extremely nice looking pivots, beefy as hell. It is most definately not a rehashed Stinky. 1.5 headtube, nicer rear shock, all new Bontragar freeride components. Not quite Stinky. Look how many bikes have a a relatively similar design. Turner, Transition, Giant AC, Schwinn...
Its all about pivot placement, and I'm fairly certain Trek didn't simply steal Kona's placement.
Does a company have to "push freeriding" to the next level with every new product? How come Kona is still in business then? I personally don't like Konas very much, but innovation isn't necessary for a good bike.
Uhh..?Zark said:Boy good thing they put on a triple ring on it, now I can use it in the local dirt crit series
Not to mention its a rehashed Stinky with big pivots, not an ounce of innovation. They have done nothing to this point to push freeriding and are chasing after the scraps of the market.
Maybe Lance will ride one and up the sales
There are a dozen very decent freeride bikes out there that are "rehashed Stinkys", there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. And many of those rehashed Stinkeys come with a triple ring setup.
Why not give the user the most possible options? A triple ring setup gives the buyer all the necessary parts to run a triple ring, or a double ring, or a single ring. All they need to buy is the chainguide of their choosing. Stock it with a single ring, though, and all of a sudden you need a front derailleur, shifter (which are difficult to find seperately), chainrings, and a lot more setup time than bolting a chainguide on.
If they have the geometry right, the 1.5 headtube, big pivots, and Trek's pull with the component suppliers all add up to a good value on what could be a really nice freeride bike.
the Stinky is rehashed from itself, its basic design and construction hasent changed at all. Pretty much the tubes are different shapes and the plates are different lengths. Kona relies on pretty paint and stylish brochure catalogues.
The drop-outs are innovative as well.
I'm happy to see a major bike company adopt 1.5.
I'm happy to see a major bike company adopt 1.5.
then what is Cannondale?
That is one sweet looking bike. I dig the black ano. frame! 
BTW, that looks like an 7.8 or 8" i2i rear shock...
Maybe? It has to be since the rear travel is about 6"
BTW, that looks like an 7.8 or 8" i2i rear shock...
Maybe? It has to be since the rear travel is about 6"
Zark said:Boy good thing they put on a triple ring on it, now I can use it in the local dirt crit series
Not to mention its a rehashed Stinky with big pivots, not an ounce of innovation. They have done nothing to this point to push freeriding and are chasing after the scraps of the market.
Maybe Lance will ride one and up the sales
Yeah, Kona isn't very innovative, true. At least they recognized the market 5 YEARS AGO!
A manufacturer like Shimano offering a component with options (3 rings, 2 and a bash) is giving some choice to the consumer.
A product manufacturer speccing a 3 ring on a bike meant to be bashed on the shore is moronic. Spec it with a 2 ring and a bash/guide, let the customer decide if they want a big ring. Most consumers will need to do that upgrade upon purchase now.
A manufacturer like Shimano offering a component with options (3 rings, 2 and a bash) is giving some choice to the consumer.
A product manufacturer speccing a 3 ring on a bike meant to be bashed on the shore is moronic. Spec it with a 2 ring and a bash/guide, let the customer decide if they want a big ring. Most consumers will need to do that upgrade upon purchase now.
They don't count IMO as they're always going against the grain. Seemingly so that they can spec their bikes with proprietary stuff. I don't think that anything cdale does gets the attention of aftermarket manufacturer's as someone like a trek or a specialized or a giant would.quickneonrt said:
The market isn't all that big. It was even smaller 5 years ago. Trek probably didn't see much money in it.Zark said:
Also, you're forgetting the deisel. There was an FR version of that bike. It didn't sell well, but they tried.
don't want to pee in anybody's cereal, but specs for the bike say Shimano Saint w/ 32/22 rings. Somebody forgot to remove the big ring and put the bashguard on it. Will be interesting to see if it comes without a chainguide, though...
Dude, why are my Cheerios yellow?dante said:don't want to pee in anybody's cereal, but specs for the bike say Shimano Saint w/ 32/22 rings. Somebody forgot to remove the big ring and put the bashguard on it. Will be interesting to see if it comes without a chainguide, though...
Thanks for the pics and info!
As for why the 3rd ring and not a bashguard? Think of it this way, it's easier to add a bashguard and take out a link in the chain than it is to get a 3rd ring and add a new chain. More for the masses, that's what it is about. Besides, even though we here all live in a small little world revloving around North Shore, Can, not EVERYONE LIVES THERE!!!! "Freeriding" is NOT riding on skinny ladders in the trees, man! It's about non-competitive riding in unusual places, or just normal places with a different state of mind. That's why I also think the Red Bull Rampage is kind of retarded(not that I don't fully love it!), because a "Freeride Competition" is an oxymoron.
I say keep the 3rd ring, because you can never go too fast!
And I think the King Fishers beat the Trek model hands down. It's pretty sweet! Looks a little "Demo 9ish" with the semi-monocoque tubes and all. Very unique styling the tubes are hydroformed and are ovalized horizontally at the seat tube, and then "twist" to ovalize vertically at the headtube. Very neat looking bike. With Sram components, I believe.
I say keep the 3rd ring, because you can never go too fast!
And I think the King Fishers beat the Trek model hands down. It's pretty sweet! Looks a little "Demo 9ish" with the semi-monocoque tubes and all. Very unique styling the tubes are hydroformed and are ovalized horizontally at the seat tube, and then "twist" to ovalize vertically at the headtube. Very neat looking bike. With Sram components, I believe.
1- I'm pretty sure a bash ring is cheaper to buy than a Saint big ring, BUT:Zark said:Boy good thing they put on a triple ring on it, now I can use it in the local dirt crit series
Not to mention its a rehashed Stinky with big pivots, not an ounce of innovation. They have done nothing to this point to push freeriding and are chasing after the scraps of the market.
2- As dante mentioned, the specs list Saint 22-32. Don't be too quick to judge an entire bike based on a single rushed pre-season pic that may not be 100% up to spec.
3- So execution means nothing to you? I worked on a "rehashed Stinky" from Walmart yesterday. If you can buy that for $139 why would anyone ever buy a Stinky? I mean really, they're the same right?
For the most part, IMO refinement and evolution of proven technology/design is often better than starting from scratch to have something *different*. There are really only about 5 different forms of suspension bikes out there, so why not pick the one that works the best from your viewpoint (and/or one that's not patented
) and put your effort into improving it?
its kinda funny, no matter what Trek would put out, people will trash them no matter what 100% garanteed. Face it, most of you are image whores!!!!
well put...zedro said:
It's still a Trek...
The catalog does say 22/32/bashguard, I noticed this when we first got the catalog.
As for the Fishers, damn do they look like they suck. Let's see...single-pivot, way up high, that thing sure should pedal great...not!
As for the Fishers, damn do they look like they suck. Let's see...single-pivot, way up high, that thing sure should pedal great...not!
Well, from a company known for trail/pedal bikes, I'm PRETTY sure they may know a thing or two about pedalability(is that a word? It is now.). I don't think they are too worried, BUT, I do think it will be a bit floppy. They need a swing link like the Yetis have.
As for "still a Trek..." that doesn't seem to bother Shandro too much. Hell, I'd buy a Huffy it magically made me grow some skillz!
As for "still a Trek..." that doesn't seem to bother Shandro too much. Hell, I'd buy a Huffy it magically made me grow some skillz!
I realize that! Just saying there are similar looking designs (such as some Turners), because Zark called this bike a "rehashed kona," implying that it must be the same simply from looking at a picture that doesn't even show the lower pivot. I know that much at leastBulldog said:Whoa whoa whoa whoa! *cough cough* Horst link *cough cough*
Just because they make small travel trail and XC bikes that pedal decient doesnt mean dickTHRILLSEEKA said:
well i wonder why, hes payed to ride themTHRILLSEEKA said:
As was mentioned before, this isn't their first foray into the FR/DH market. Their first attempt warranted a sweet bike (from what I've heard) but they absolutely overpriced it to the point of not having a chance of success. Have you read the NSMB first thoughts on the bike? Here they are:
http://www.nsmb.com/gear/trek_vancouver_06_04.php
Shandro could ride for any company he wants to. He's still with Trek...
http://www.nsmb.com/gear/trek_vancouver_06_04.php
Shandro could ride for any company he wants to. He's still with Trek...
i'm more interested in the bike itself than the 'hardcore rep' of the brand. cnc machining, pivots engineered for longterm durability, a balanced frame design that doesn't have extraneous tubes, good strength:weight ratio...
time will tell if this trek is a decent frame, but jeez compared to those inelegant KHS frames for example this is in a different league.
the diesel was overpriced. period. hope this one isn't.
time will tell if this trek is a decent frame, but jeez compared to those inelegant KHS frames for example this is in a different league.
the diesel was overpriced. period. hope this one isn't.
Well, I, for one, think it looks pretty good. I've ridden a Liquid a few times and really liked the suspension action and feel so if this is anything like that, it should be pretty good. Also, given that this is a heavy trailbike, I don't really even see that a bashguard is absolutely necessary. I like having a big ring. Plus, you buy a $2000-3000 bike and need to spring for a $35 piece of metal. Big freakin deal. I don't think that Trek will sell many but it looks good to me. Solid if not especially innovative.
yeah, just from some other pics i've seen, the overall quality seems alot higher than Konas dismal assemblies.frorider said:
okay i read the nsmb initial review, and i'm thinking damn for 2k you get a complete bike and for 3K you get the better component version...and i look at the machining on the rocker arm, and the oversize pivots, machined head tube, clean gussets, and the movable rear dropouts for geometry adjustment...meanwhile whenever i see a Kona my engineering personality can't help but notice all the cheesy designed-for-low-cost aspects of the frame...
kona -> :nuts: <- trek
kona -> :nuts: <- trek
yup, but unfortunalty no one appreciated how nicely the Diesel was put together either....all you got was the simian response of 'uhg...its just a single pivot..'...frorider said: