Jeezus. If that calculator is anywhere near accurate, we would make out like bandits under either plan.
Trump's Presidency 2017 - 2021
Jeezus. If that calculator is anywhere near accurate, we would make out like bandits under either plan.
Bread and circus !
Same. We'd be saving somewhere between $2,900 and $4,300.Jeezus. If that calculator is anywhere near accurate, we would make out like bandits under either plan.
I am assuming y'all aren't itemizing or smoke cigars at the monocle club with Toshi?
I would break even under either plan, getting back about the same amount we do every year. But to me, that is not the issue regarding the tax "reform" plan. I was taught early on that the smaller your refund the better, as your refund is basically an interest free loan tot he gubmint.
Not being a big money or a 10 lb brain, financial genius guy, here are my issues with it.
- It was not even written completely when passed by the Senate.
- The CBO hasnt had the chance to fully analyze a partially written plan
- While the GoP is pandering to their voting base of reactionary white conservative types who think that getting a big refund back is a great thing, the plan actually seems to be pandering directly to the big money types who truly support the GoP
- If he is cutting so much $$, where is the $$ coming from to, among other things, build his wall? Build up the military and take care of Vets? Fix the infrastructure etc?
- Why is it so wrong to fund education and health care? A truly strong nation is built upon a foundation of a healthy, educated populace.
- The loss of many key, sensible deductions
- The blatant lies that Orange Foolious tells to his followers, and the way they eat that shit up
I am sure there are others, but this is all I can come up with now.
Although this made me giggle-
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/12/trumps-100-percent-pro-america-tax-plan-is-actually-a-huge-gift-to-offshorers/
As did this-
http://verifiedpolitics.com/republicans-just-found-made-embarrassing-mistake-back-room-rush-pass-tax-bill/
Not being a big money or a 10 lb brain, financial genius guy, here are my issues with it.
- It was not even written completely when passed by the Senate.
- The CBO hasnt had the chance to fully analyze a partially written plan
- While the GoP is pandering to their voting base of reactionary white conservative types who think that getting a big refund back is a great thing, the plan actually seems to be pandering directly to the big money types who truly support the GoP
- If he is cutting so much $$, where is the $$ coming from to, among other things, build his wall? Build up the military and take care of Vets? Fix the infrastructure etc?
- Why is it so wrong to fund education and health care? A truly strong nation is built upon a foundation of a healthy, educated populace.
- The loss of many key, sensible deductions
- The blatant lies that Orange Foolious tells to his followers, and the way they eat that shit up
I am sure there are others, but this is all I can come up with now.
Although this made me giggle-
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/12/trumps-100-percent-pro-america-tax-plan-is-actually-a-huge-gift-to-offshorers/
As did this-
http://verifiedpolitics.com/republicans-just-found-made-embarrassing-mistake-back-room-rush-pass-tax-bill/
So I saw this tweet, but haven't seen any background to it?
Can anyone fill in some details for me?
https://twitter.com/yonatanzunger/status/937922848235991041
Can anyone fill in some details for me?
https://twitter.com/yonatanzunger/status/937922848235991041
@therealchickenlittle
while the tone may be a little hysterical, are the facts or the general optics all that inaccurate?
Because a truly subservient nation is built upon a foundation of a unhealthy, ignorant populace.
There's a reason why slave owners wouldn't allow education. Same reason why the GOP has dominated politics in NC for so long. Senator Jesse Helms was notorious for voting down any education spending legislation. Former Governor Pat McCrory signed a law that on paper was a pay raise for public school teachers, but in reality it reduced their pay. Keep 'em ignorant and full of irrational fear and they'll keep voting Republican. Been quite an effective plan here in good ole North Kackalacky.
Thing is fixing things take way more time money and effort than the fucking it in the first place, Y'all got a lot of work ahead of you.....
True.
But spending every waking moment is a state of outrage doesn’t change that.
The real issues in this country have nothing to do with trumps short time in office so pretending that his ouster will be a watershed change is misguided, imo.
Agreed. Trump and his goons have exposed what was bubbling under the surface. If you get rid of him, other unpleasant alternatives present, notably the execrable Pence. Trump and his goons have and will continue to do major demonstrable damage; the rate has risen, but the movement was present under the surface prior to his emergence.
We all know he is right.
These 4 years will give Trump's most ardent supporters some respite from the global (and domestic) shifts they loathe, but the next President will be stuck playing catch-up in a world that has left the USA behind. You can't insult your allies and refuse to participate if it's not on your terms and expect everyone to wait around idle.
This.
While Dan-o is correct when he says:
the problem is that as far as the rest of the world is concerned, America is no longer a serious country. The world will move on without the US, it's already happening. Best case scenario, we're becoming the new Great Britain, but without healthcare or a social safety net.
But some of these things cannot so easily be undone. Just off the top of my head, judicial appointments. Judges are for life, and some of these clowns being appointed by Trump are very questionable. And the Census. People forget just the sort of effects a Census that's held only once every ten years can have. The LONG term ramifications of that are very real.
It's government, not a yo-yo.
i'm just hoping cheeto gets the boot before he can stack the supreme court with any more human trash cans
There is no way Pence is clean. I'm slowly coming around to the possibility that the end game of the Russia Probe my actually be scarier than the Trump Administration itself. The entire cabinet is dirty and/or complicit. Maybe all the way through high levels of the GOP. I don't know what it means if you have the highest levels of one half of a major political party involved in a crime of this level. Uncharted territory for sure.
ROBURT JURBS
gonna need a lot of popcorn
The SC appointments are really the only thing that keeps me up at night, but that would apply to any activist judges not just conservatives.
Things that would have happened with any GOP president:
Tax reform
Repeal ACA
Stacking the courts
Sucking Israel’s cock
Misjudging our role in the world
Immigration reform
Trump is just doing this in the least tactful and intentionally abrasive manner possible.
This has been my thought all along.
It’s our Brexit.
it's been brewing for a while, i just think darth cheeto put it on the fast track
arm bears ... it's coming ...
I don't know. I've read several articles about Russian money taken in by the GOP and republican candidates. Remember Paul Ryan wanting to "keep it in the family" when the talk about how Trump and Rohrbacher (or how ever the fuck you spell it) were Russian stooges came out? Foreign money is supposed to be illegal, though in practice that seems to not be the case.
People that are clean?
Maybe Hatch, Mattis, Chao, Devos, and Kelly? Chao can't be President because she was born in
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Oh, I think it would be worse. Nobody in England thinks the Queen is a Russian plant. If she is, that's some serious long game.
What do you think the KGB's code name for Donny Two Scoops is?
The man with the golden shower?
Agent Orange?
Old Job?
Miss Moneypenny?