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Reminds me of ball style steering in a performance car. Very numb feeling even if its "better" than Rack and Pinion. You need some feedback to what the tires are doing to react in time.
if it's bladder instead of IFP then you could still end up w/ less friction overall due to the smaller shafts. I don't know if they've mentioned either way. I do agree that smaller air volume + smaller oil volume = higher temps, less consistent etc. The higher air volume in the fatbike tires will make up for it though
Wondering if this is the same kind of feeling I had going from a rigid fork to 100mm fork. Everything felt vague... for about a week, then things felt amazing.
hurry up and get one already so we can all laugh at you...
I had the exact same feeling. But it only took one ride.
Then, I realized that the Rock Shox RS-1 was so bad, I switched to a Cannondale Headshock and steering was precise again.
oh wait, it didn't feel amazing.
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About time! when I want to know how bike parts handle rowdy as fuck descending where a crash could literally be fatal in nasty rocks and roots, I wait until cycling tips has weighed in.
I didn't even click that. Is it good?
Wait for the vital review.
Shots fired.oh yeah cuz those are WAY better
Guess I'll wait for the blister gear review. Will be waiting a while...
Give one to Chris Porter to review.
I was really hoping it was going to have the guts of a Nitro Shox in one leg.
I was really hoping it was going to have the guts of a Nitro Shox in one leg.
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Time to stop with the linkage shitposting. I get that you are mad we called you out, but don't you think it's funny that you shat all over the analysis we gave and then the practical review from vital lines up pretty well with all the comments given? Especially every comment about falling rates and all that nonsense? I get that you don't like that it's carried out that way. Tough titties, it's proven to be R E L A T I V E L Y accurate, and until designers release their notes and design goals (they won't) it's the best we have. Don't me mad when it's slightly inaccurate or when the math lines up with what the rider feels.
Hahahaaha. No, I'm really serious. I would like to see what this does. But I don't own linkage (software), nor do I really have time.Empty quote? Just marking this for posterity so you can poke fun later
Time to stop with the linkage shitposting. I get that you are mad we called you out, but don't you think it's funny that you shat all over the analysis we gave and then the practical review from vital lines up pretty well with all the comments given? Especially every comment about falling rates and all that nonsense? I get that you don't like that it's carried out that way. Tough titties, it's proven to be R E L A T I V E L Y accurate, and until designers release their notes and design goals (they won't) it's the best we have. Don't me mad when it's slightly inaccurate or when the math lines up with what the rider feels.
But, no, the "analysis" of my rig wasn't even close. Nor were the ride predictions. I shat on it even though it didn't even deserve that.
Hell, I got 3.5 stars from vital with the cheapest known shock to man. A shock no brand on earth would let their bike get reviewed with.
I really don't give too much of a shit what vrock or any of those linkage guys said about my bike. They didn't get it, don't get it, won't take the time to understand it.
I'm really good with that. Reality is out there. The bikes ride great, i'm busy as hell. Maybe you should ride it before you continue to pass judgement?
The reason I shit on various Analysis is twofold, first was the incredible inaccuracy and error stackup of photoshopping so many pivots and trying to pretend that it's accurate.
But just as important was a fundamental lack of understanding of the physics involved. Fair enough, "I did the MATH" (to quote somebody else), but then to discredit and discard it rather than try to understand....Every free thinking engineer I know is ashamed of that display. Period.
Back to the fork, obviously, the axle path, leverage ratio and anti dive characteristics are all touted and talked up. I am genuinely and honestly surprised nobody has taken this up and shown some curves.
We have a very straightforward fork linkage layout, with some pretty good pictures to photoshop. This is the stuff that "linkage" is made for. Nothing too tricky, put in some numbers and spit out some curves.
BTW, I use the term "linkage nerd" lovingly. Maybe not so much for the dogma followers, but for people that appreciate and evaluate linkages for fun.
So, since you brought it up..C'mon somebody. the biggest name in suspension makes a big splash and we can't even get a curve??
Just put it in reverse and leave out the chain. Anti Squat =anti dive.
I brought up free body diagrams in the past and people thought I was talking about porn.......
there's no option to remove the chain in linkage, just look at the Anti-Rise ( = Anti-Dive)
I have never fired up the program.
I assumed there was a separate force vector input for chain pull as well as the tire/ground interface.
I tend to calculate those separately
but basically, you are agreeing that Linkage can spit out the curves I am asking about?
Definitely.
Anti-Dive ( = Anti-Rise)
Leverage Ratio is the same as with a rear suspension, although it's difficult to see how the 'shock' is mounted internally.
Mechanical Trail can't be plotted directly, but can be interpreted from the axle path plot.
ya cool.
All whatever aside, this is a great topic, and right up linkage's ally.
No, I'm not implying that linkage will tell me how it rides. Simply that it will tell me what it does.
The ride is like, you know, another flavor you never tried (I do like that DW)
But I'd like to see where the wheel goes.
A telescopic fork is a little easier to visualize, what with all that ideal straight line rearward axle path and all.
As somebody else way more angry and shitposting than I pointed out, trail is a bit of an anomaly once everything is in motion, so it's just another number to form an opinion about.
My interest in this subject.....I raced this once
The Pro version of Linkage is only $200 for a perpetual license, or also known as the most reasonably priced engineering software out there. And, there’s a personal version for $20.
While we are in the subject of useful software, has anyone had any experience with Restakor?
Now you're just trying to get viruses and shit into my multiverse
me personally, i don't give 2 shits about how it rides, i would never put something that stupid looking on my bike...
What about it?
shiny dentures optional...
