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kidwoo

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He sometimes comes across as a condescending and will make snap-judgements on how and where people ride,
I ran into curiak years ago at whistler. He let me pass him (which for a big meathead isn't the easiest thing to do, since he doesn't seem to ever well....'lean' a bike). That's about the only good thing I've ever seen from him. He really really really likes himself. A lot.

He's also often very wrong while being a complete douchebag.

But I do believe that fork sucks.

Sounds like the air spring may be too small a volume and ramps up too much. Or there was some oil in it. Who cares. I went from 'not buying that thing' to 'not buying that thing'. Certainly not the first time a DW project doesn't exactly work right and everyone involved just talks down their nose to people. I guess they call that the trust effect now. As in we've created a dork trust so strong, it's completely impenetrable by reality.
 

kidwoo

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I'm still really really trying to figure out how a less rearward axle path helps a bike turn better when preloaded in a corner. Not to mention getting rid of the slightly rearward axle path a telescopic has for bump absorption. I mean the point of suspension is to stretch acute impacts over time via damping and in this case travel path of the wheel. This does the opposite in both cases in combination.
 

Westy

the teste
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I'm still really really trying to figure out how a less rearward axle path helps a bike turn better when preloaded in a corner. Not to mention getting rid of the slightly rearward axle path a telescopic has for bump absorption. I mean the point of suspension is to stretch acute impacts over time via damping and in this case travel path of the wheel. This does the opposite in both cases in combination.
Don't think, just trust.
 

Cerberus75

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One of the better reviews later had a leaking damper.
I'm still really really trying to figure out how a less rearward axle path helps a bike turn better when preloaded in a corner. Not to mention getting rid of the slightly rearward axle path a telescopic has for bump absorption. I mean the point of suspension is to stretch acute impacts over time via damping and in this case travel path of the wheel. This does the opposite in both cases in combination.
It has less dive so when you go hot to a turn,brake, the fork dives and lessens the wheel base and trail. A feature i personally like in tight turns.

The rearward path should make root and rock chatter smother since its not trying to lift the fork.

But since one of the better reviews this for has, also had a busted damper. Im betting its not working how it should.
 

jonKranked

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Nov 10, 2005
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just started reading, but they put it on a 150mm bike that came with a 160 fork that was an inch longer a-c? That seems like a wierd way to test it. If you were interested in this fork wouldn't it be for a shorter travel frame that came with a fork the same length? Sometimes people upgrade to a fork 1cm longer but nobody goes 2cm shorter.
i remember in their PR bit they said that you could run their shorter travel fork on bikes designed for longer travel; the takeaway being you can get by with a little less travel. but i don't recall there being anything about compensating for a2c differences.
 

Tantrum Cycles

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i remember in their PR bit they said that you could run their shorter travel fork on bikes designed for longer travel; the takeaway being you can get by with a little less travel. but i don't recall there being anything about compensating for a2c differences.
This part seems vastly overlooked. Let’s see, I just put a fork on that is an inch shorter, lowering the front, lowering the bb and steepening the rake

And now, miraculously, the bike handles better and the front has more grip

Damn. I wonder if there is a spreadsheet or linkage program or SOMETHING that could predict this unusual result

At least in smooth trails
 

Tantrum Cycles

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[QUOTE="Cerberus75, post: 4319290, member: 127117]

The rearward path should make root and rock chatter smother since its not trying to lift the fork.
.[/QUOTE]

The trust fork has a LESS rearward axle path at some point
 

dump

Turbo Monkey
Oct 12, 2001
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also read as: dw knows better than to log in ;)
 

Westy

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I think everyone is missing the point. This fork is designed for people who will have their butlers ride ahead and remove any harsh bumps in the trail for their Masters.
 

Steve M

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Mar 3, 2007
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I'm still really really trying to figure out how a less rearward axle path helps a bike turn better when preloaded in a corner. Not to mention getting rid of the slightly rearward axle path a telescopic has for bump absorption. I mean the point of suspension is to stretch acute impacts over time via damping and in this case travel path of the wheel. This does the opposite in both cases in combination.
It's actually more rearwards on average - for trail to remain more consistent as the fork dives (by dives, i mean fork compression when the rear end isn't also compressing, may even be extending) then the axle has to be moving backwards relative to the steering axis. Whatever issues they may be having, I don't think they're related to that.
 

Tantrum Cycles

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But if I read the first test and they say it felt overdamped and they call Darrel or DW or Nailed Trust or whoever and the say the took the shock apart and found out that ti didn't have the right super soft valving that only it can use and get away with..........
Wow, Brian, you called that one, didn't you??

No, I actually blew it, because they took it apart and said it was fine...........
 

kidwoo

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It's actually more rearwards on average - for trail to remain more consistent as the fork dives (by dives, i mean fork compression when the rear end isn't also compressing, may even be extending) then the axle has to be moving backwards relative to the steering axis.
Isn't that what they're trying to achieve with this?



Current status (revised): Not buying that thing