If we wait any longer, they'll be out of business.
They're not OE, the reviews are questionable and it just looks bad. Why overpay for something that isn't broke?
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They're not OE, the reviews are questionable and it just looks bad. Why overpay for something that isn't broke?
I just find the spamming in the comment section of the PB review fascinating. Sure a couple comments in support of something you seem to like...I can sympathize and empathize with that. But flooding the comments with reasonably concise pushback in defense of a thing in almost a talking point format just seems straight up bizarre to me.
I have 0 interest in this product personally. I wish the guys or gals working on this thing the best. However I do wonder about their leadership's core values when they release that statement to the largest mountain bike platform.
I have 0 interest in this product personally. I wish the guys or gals working on this thing the best. However I do wonder about their leadership's core values when they release that statement to the largest mountain bike platform.
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I guess this shows dentists are a pretty corporate guild
. Seriously, the amount of self delusion you find in the sector buying the most expensive bikes is appalling.
Um......am I the only one who remembers what weagle's presence on this forum was like?
It was like that. Spammy as fuck.
sooooo....what's it gonna take to get you into this delta link today?
A couple of buzzwords and bullshit phrasing might do'er.
I thought Strava's message was that it's ok to cut turns and demanding parts of trails to wank about it at your imaginary virtual "friends". And ofc to expose secret trails.have you heard of an app called strava?
Who are they marketing?
it's all in the name of going fast
I don’t actually remember that. I do remember dw being very responsive and sometimes getting into epic back and forths... and eventually swearing off forum posting all together.
Strava has dumbed down a few trails round here.
Those people have actually been worse than the people who dumb down trails cause the trail is hard.
Those people have actually been worse than the people who dumb down trails cause the trail is hard.
i finally won a battle with some local stravassholes, a cheater line they kept clearing and i kept reblocking, it seems they finally gave up. it escalated to the point i was moving large logs and nearly had to start digging holes to plant them in the ground.
Strava lines have been an across-the-board problem just about everywhere I have ridden in the past five years, and it's getting worse.
I would agree w/ this.
There's no winning in this fight. I just ignore them now and ride the original A lines. I don't give two fucks about other people and their small dicks anymore as long as the fun lines are still there.
See if this phrase jars your memory "most race proven design in the world"
Do a search for 'gamut' by username dw. The guy acted like someone was personally going after his testicles because someone made a lighter chainguide.
What you and manhattan are referring to was 'pre-dw' dave. Once the companies started all that friendly bike rider guy next door stuff changed. A lot. And there was a point when it was pretty obvious that the only time he was looking at forums any more was just to promote shit he wanted to sell. That's fine and all but it was definitely a thing.
I'll get you started: https://ridemonkey.bikemag.com/threads/ok-who-has-drilled-speedholes-in-their-e13s-bashers.131659/post-1758300
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A lot of things are important with a fork, but for going fast through pounding terrain, I feel that damping is the most important in my experience. This is where the most "advancement" needs to be, with the circuits, tune, blow-off, actual adjustments that work and are not just harshness-increasers, ability to take repeated hits and recover, ride high enough etc. Springs, chassis, lubrication, etc., all important, but I'll always take the best damping I can get.
the funny part now is he sold his chainguide business and gamut is going out of business.
I'm kind of sad about that. Good people the Graziosis.
me too. i raced their dh guards for a while (p30 or p40, was on a team sponsored by them). they were always very responsive. i did manage to get an order in for one of their trail guides.
I posted a little about it here last year about having the same problems. People cutting this one corner in a huge way, to avoid a few roots. Piled logs and sticks up week after week, only to have them get moved. The final time I spent like an hour gathering, piling and pissing on the blockage. I also printed out a sign, laminated and tied it to a stick in the middle of the pile. The pile is still there and hasn't been touched since.
Thats the thing though, these people are like lemmings. Once one person starts cutting it, they all do. And then the proper (fun) line eventually starts to fade away. Or they then block it themselves..
Ah, I do remember that now. I was pretty scarce around here for a stretch (2004-2009), so I'll believe you on how things went down.
and the virtual handjobs were nonstop...
i remember. good work.I posted a little about it here last year about having the same problems. People cutting this one corner in a huge way, to avoid a few roots. Piled logs and sticks up week after week, only to have them get moved. The final time I spent like an hour gathering, piling and pissing on the blockage. I also printed out a sign, laminated and tied it to a stick in the middle of the pile. The pile is still there and hasn't been touched since.
Thats the thing though, these people are like lemmings. Once one person starts cutting it, they all do. And then the proper (fun) line eventually starts to fade away. Or they then block it themselves..
lolz! fuckin roadies...I posted a little about it here last year about having the same problems. People cutting this one corner in a huge way, to avoid a few roots. Piled logs and sticks up week after week, only to have them get moved. The final time I spent like an hour gathering, piling and pissing on the blockage. I also printed out a sign, laminated and tied it to a stick in the middle of the pile. The pile is still there and hasn't been touched since.
Thats the thing though, these people are like lemmings. Once one person starts cutting it, they all do. And then the proper (fun) line eventually starts to fade away. Or they then block it themselves..
What I have found is that if you block the cheater line with something that will take two people to move, the problem typically goes away. If you replace it with something that takes three people to move, the repair usually stays permanent.
because convincing one buddy to help you is hard enough, try to convince two, and they will call you a pussy, and would much rather just ride. (Or build a feature, of course).
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we see cut throughs on the trail system i dig at, but i'm pretty sure that it's lazy hikers more of the time than riders. i still block stuff off.
You have yet to meet the Lycra-clad groups on Pivots or crabon fatbikes that sanitize the east coast roxx.
Yes, there are local anomalies.
any cheater lines that pop up on our local dig trails get turned into big features. if they try to dumb the feature down, it just gets turned into something as dangerous as the original line. on a few of occasions, the building of the cheater line gets bigger than the original line. then the og line is the 'cheater' line...
not a glowing first impression:
https://www.mbr.co.uk/reviews/forks/trust-shout-review?fbclid=IwAR2n95QOZ11yfsriaKej5-R9eQb_Nw6KHdWX1DHj4kaXnE7VInFwBhDkfuE
https://www.mbr.co.uk/reviews/forks/trust-shout-review?fbclid=IwAR2n95QOZ11yfsriaKej5-R9eQb_Nw6KHdWX1DHj4kaXnE7VInFwBhDkfuE
“Hey, what’s for dinner? “
A heaping bowl of MEH”.
”Damn, didn’t we just have that yesterday?“
”simmer down, and pass the 38mm stanchions, please.”
”And eat your peas.”
The cheater lines I put in are a response to poor trail routing.
so nyeah
Although now I want to put cutoffs on some of WCH's trails so he builds me a big jump.
so nyeah
Although now I want to put cutoffs on some of WCH's trails so he builds me a big jump.
It's not like the way a trail was originally routed was handed down from on high and should never evolve. This is very much not to say that there aren't dumb cheater lines cropping up around stuff too, but I've absolutely ridden in cheater lines around a couple extra janky switchbacks on a few of my local trails and I don't feel bad about that at all.
one of the local trails has cheater lines around the cheater lines. some places like 6 of them wide. it's such a pain in the ass to be coming in hot and pick the wrong one and be completely off line for the next feature. i wish i could catch those fools...
Anyway, back on track, let's recap:
- It seems plausible for two fellow
at least to demo/test this thing, and give us a honest opinion.
- I was supossed to write another pro, but I fell like most of the folks here won't give a fuck about said review/demo.
- It seems plausible for two fellow
at least to demo/test this thing, and give us a honest opinion.- I was supossed to write another pro, but I fell like most of the folks here won't give a fuck about said review/demo.
i believe @manhattanprjkt83 spent some time on one. what's the word?