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Oh, FFS.
Look at the bright side! Now we need the Yeti guys to crew up with Specialized and we can start putting all of our hate in just one place.
Never rode one, but as an armchair product manager I'd say they may have had something if they dropped the constant trail bullshit had a more vertical path that wasn't harsh on small bumps.
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what didn't you like about it?
Tis what I was hinting at.
It's not just isolated to sucking at small bumps but also drops, flat landings, or any time the front end slaps down.... aka mountain biking. But I know you know that already
The 'low hysteresis' marketing was the most egregious bullshit. The darn thing was the Britannica definition of hysteresis in any vertical impact scenario because simple FBD analysis.
I recognize that there are always compromises, but I still don't understand how the Trust team ended where they did unless they were willing to compromise on pretty much every design criteria of a suspension fork to achieve constant trail?
glad to see that somebody is picking it up and running with it, but I'm uncomfortable that it's spec. They...they don't make good forks. Trust's biggest issue was price and hype with no substance...spec isn't going to make it cheaper. Maybe they'll fix the few existing problems and work on improving it...that would be neat.
ps this is not an ebike fork. I'm under 200lb on a 28lb trailbike and don't have confidence that this would hold up to more substantial abuse. Why the fuck they put a 15mm thru axle on it is mind bottling
Tis what I was hinting at.
It's not just isolated to sucking at small bumps but also drops, flat landings, or any time the front end slaps down.... aka mountain biking. But I know you know that already
The 'low hysteresis' marketing was the most egregious bullshit. The darn thing was the Britannica definition of hysteresis in any vertical impact scenario because simple FBD analysis.
I recognize that there are always compromises, but I still don't understand how the Trust team ended where they did unless they were willing to compromise on pretty much every design criteria of a suspension fork to achieve constant trail?
You know what I never heard anyone ever complain about? How they get reduced trail during fork compression. In fact they hated reduced trail so much they were willing to sacrifice vertical compliance.
You know what damn near everyone would like to see in a fork? Reduced brake dive and improved torsional rigidity.
So close
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100% this. Linkage forks have real merit as a concept, but they targeted the wrong goals and made a product that didn't really work as a result. I want to see people keep trying.
I think it's the nature of our bottom-scraping industry. Getting enough talent and production means together is damn near impossible here. Engineers and production specialists that could get it done are in a field that makes actual money, not MTB. So we (the industry) always find some way to **** it up bad.
I'm curious where you all have picked up a lack of small bump performance. Levy complains about too much HSC, which would be a relatively easy fix if Trust had pulled their head out of their ass, accepted criticism, and not blamed hysteresis as mentioned above. I would say this fork is among the best forks I've ridden (which includes a lefty) for small bump performance. I don't have a lot of time at 20+mph because the trails in MA do not lend themselves to such speed, and this is a trail bike fork, not an enduro or DH fork, and I have tools for those. As for drops to flat, I stopped doing loading dock drops some time ago so I can't really comment.
I think Trust took the geometry and trail track because DW has always been chasing that 4d chess "two steps ahead of you" angle and didn't want his linkage fork to be another "takes square edge bumps and resists brake dive better" tool for herbs....but obviously not a lot of people wanted to spend 2g on a 130mm trailbike fork.
I think Trust took the geometry and trail track because DW has always been chasing that 4d chess "two steps ahead of you" angle and didn't want his linkage fork to be another "takes square edge bumps and resists brake dive better" tool for herbs....but obviously not a lot of people wanted to spend 2g on a 130mm trailbike fork.
So I finally got my hands on the air spring and damper service manuals...there are like at least 4 proprietary tools that don't need to be proprietary, like shaft clamps, pin spanners, and eyelet wrenches. I don't know if or when I will ever need them, but it seems they set out with the specific goal of making this fork challenging to work on and limited to people who will run to the shop any time there is a need for...literally anything.
Also, it seems they revised the air spring assemblies with thicker shafts (or something) after the early "pre-production demos". My fork has had no issues with air loss and really doesn't seem harsh at all....but let's see how it does next summer!
Also, it seems they revised the air spring assemblies with thicker shafts (or something) after the early "pre-production demos". My fork has had no issues with air loss and really doesn't seem harsh at all....but let's see how it does next summer!
Well, I have a near mint ‘18 Fox 34, maybe 50 miles total on it, new Luftkappe recently installed.
$350.
140mm, and I’ll send you a 130 air shaft free.
$350.
140mm, and I’ll send you a 130 air shaft free.
I've got a fox 36, with a 20mm through axle already lowered to 130mm. RC2 damping too. Never sold it, just replaced it with the trust fund. If the trust experiment doesn't work, that's what I'll go back to, but I like the fork. Mostly just posting for posterity, in case somebody 10 years down the line digs one out of a box and says "what the hell is this?"
So doing a very inaccurate kinematic analysis by tracing pivot points from a picture it looks like a neutral position the instant center is below and behind the axle. This will have the axle initially moving in a similar trajectory as a linear fork with a 28 degree head angle. This would be good when hitting a large square edged bumps but wouldn't have the same compliance for small bumps or vertical impacts like landings. So in a way it acts like a high pivot rear suspension, but initially the pivot is really really high.
saw that fork on the vital forum. aesthetics aside, i value my (relatively intact) body parts far to much to trust the integrity of that crown / steerer interface. or axle. or pivot hardware. built by some unknown ukrainian fabricator. that whole contraption would just stress me out every ride. brave man.
what...what if you put them together
