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Monkey
Jan 29, 2002
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Here are a few photos I shot of Sgt. Brown on the Turner 6 Pack prototype. The production version will use different tubing but I believe all the specs are the same. Click on the image to see more shots!



 

Kornphlake

Turbo Monkey
Oct 8, 2002
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so is this bike intended to be a new name for the old RFX or more like a 5spot with an extra inch travel? The rear triangle doesn't look overly burly like I was expecting.
 

punkassean

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Feb 3, 2002
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I like it!

It looks fairly light for a 6" bike. I am missing those So Cal rocky trails. But it did rain enough here yesterday for perfect velcro in the tree's
 

Zark

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Oct 18, 2001
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punkassean said:
I like it!

It looks fairly light for a 6" bike. I am missing those So Cal rocky trails. But it did rain enough here yesterday for perfect velcro in the tree's
Any time you feel like riding some SB trails I got couch space!
 

Bulldog

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Sep 11, 2001
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Kornphlake said:
so is this bike intended to be a new name for the old RFX or more like a 5spot with an extra inch travel? The rear triangle doesn't look overly burly like I was expecting.

punkassean said:
It looks fairly light for a 6" bike. I am missing those So Cal rocky trails. But it did rain enough here yesterday for perfect velcro in the tree's
Tube thickness. Ignored by 9 out of 10 armchair engineers in their weight and strength guesstimations! ;)

The 6pack is an RFX for today. It is much more RFX than 5spot. It has been said to be almost the same weight as the RFX, and of the same strength. Geo has been tweaked only ever so slightly for the different forks of today. Chainguide mounting.

Riders do different things with a good pedalling burly 6" bike these days than they did 5 years ago. Guys who hucked RFX's off rooftops and ladder bridges are now on 8-10" big bikes which take that brutality even better. The 6pack will appeal to guys more like me - either a heavy rider or one who rides moderately aggressive/abusive (or like me - both) and who dabbles in the more extreme types of mtb'ing, who appreciates a little extra travel, doesn't mind a little extra weight, and doesn't want to worry about crossing the line on a lighter trail bike.

XC Monday, dirt jumps Tuesday, urban sessions Thursday, DH on the weekend - stuff like that. Total bicycular freedom IMO. :)
 

RD

Monkey
Jul 31, 2003
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What shock is on there? Is it an in-house made PUSH? I can't rememebr if Turner Honda is on Darren and Jimmy's stuff this year.
 

Kornphlake

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Oct 8, 2002
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Bulldog said:
Tube thickness. Ignored by 9 out of 10 armchair engineers in their weight and strength guesstimations! ;)
What's with the sudden increase in bashing speculation, it's all we've ever done and it's all we'll ever do if I have anything to say about it.

Certainly the tube thickness is important, at a 9 lb weight the chainstays may be solid bars of aluminum for all I know. If you really want engineering facts; the tubing material will make a differance too and you can't tell that by looking at it either. I'm just wondering why Turner didn't opt for larger tubes with thinner walls, or even larger tubes with thick walls? Do you mean to tell me you didn't think Cannondales must have been the strongest bikes on the planet back in 1987 because they used those big fat tubes, what about the old mountain cycles san andreas with the monocoque frame, that was a beefy bike too, probablly the strongest bike on the planet at the time :rolleyes:. Conventional wisdom that dictates bigger is stronger. From a pure marketing standpoint I'd have expected a bike that was meant to take the abuse of an RFX to look as burly as an RFX.
 

MikeD

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Oct 26, 2001
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Kornphlake said:
Conventional wisdom that dictates bigger is stronger. From a pure marketing standpoint I'd have expected a bike that was meant to take the abuse of an RFX to look as burly as an RFX.
But the funny thing is that the 6-pak looks, to me, 90-95% identical to my RFX...the only difference I notice is the brace at the seattube/toptube junction seems to be made of a sheet of folded metal, 5-spot style, instead of the square tube of an RFX.

Chainstays look just as thin, and the RFX amazingly has that same 'webbed' look at the bottom of the seatstay yoke/dropout area. The RFX really doesn't LOOK like a burly bike at all by 2004 standards, but mine keeps on taking all I can throw at it.

MD
 

Kornphlake

Turbo Monkey
Oct 8, 2002
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ooh, you RFX owners all think you're better than the rest of us... So I didn't pull up a picture of an RFX, I still maintain my stance that it doesn't look as burly as it could, maybe the RFX was unburly looking too.
 

MikeD

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Oct 26, 2001
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Yeah, they're both very understated bikes. That's what I've always liked about mine...
 

Zark

Hey little girl, do you want some candy?
Oct 18, 2001
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Marketing guy talking to engineer.
"Can you make this more burly looking?"
Engineer
"But this very strong for the application, blah, blah"
Marketing
"But can you make this more burly looking?"
Engineer
"It will be heavier and more prone to failure"
Marketing
"But it WILL look burly, right?"
Engineer
"Yes" ;)
 

DH Dad

Monkey
Jun 12, 2002
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MikeD said:
But the funny thing is that the 6-pak looks, to me, 90-95% identical to my RFX...the only difference I notice is the brace at the seattube/toptube junction seems to be made of a sheet of folded metal, 5-spot style, instead of the square tube of an RFX.

Chainstays look just as thin, and the RFX amazingly has that same 'webbed' look at the bottom of the seatstay yoke/dropout area. The RFX really doesn't LOOK like a burly bike at all by 2004 standards, but mine keeps on taking all I can throw at it.

MD
The headtube of the old RFX was also gussetted top and bottom as you can see from the shot of my RFX. The shot of the 6-pack HT looks more like my wife's 5-spot. I also included a shot of the seattube brace on the old RFX.
 

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Bulldog

Turbo Monkey
Sep 11, 2001
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Kornphlake said:
I still maintain my stance that it doesn't look as burly as it could, maybe the RFX was unburly looking too.
As long as you've been here, you'd still rather have big, huge, DENT-PRONE, BREAKAGE-PRONE tin-can tubing because it "looks burly" as opposed to something much more effective and long-lasting? :confused:

And I'll also admit you're surely not as interested in this type of bike as I am, and forgive you for not reading up on it as much as I have. If you had read everything, you'd have read that the bikes pictured are prototypes built from 5spot tubing to check the 6pack's geometry for feedback. The production bikes with have new custom tubing that's different, and slightly bigger in some respects (rectangular stays as opposed to square, etc.). Maybe that will appeal to your sense of aesthetics a little more.
 

Jm_

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Jan 14, 2002
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Zark said:
Marketing guy talking to engineer.
"Can you make this more burly looking?"
Engineer
"But this very strong for the application, blah, blah"
Marketing
"But can you make this more burly looking?"
Engineer
"It will be heavier and more prone to failure"
Marketing
"But it WILL look burly, right?"
Engineer
"Yes" ;)
Marketing
"We shall call it the 'Scream' "
 

punkassean

Turbo Monkey
Feb 3, 2002
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ViolentVolante said:
:nuts: hahahahahahahah, so true

i can hear the conversation

"we should use FEA analysis on the HT area"
"FA what, just add a gusset"
Engineer: "Gusset, schmusset...we'll just use the thickest headtube known to man! :oink: "

Marketing: "Perfect!"


:D