Alright DW no need to get sh*tty. Maybe if the public was kept more in the loop about the delays, rumours wouldn't get started?
Turner+DW+DH
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fixed83 degrees, Giant Designed it
i guess all companies should give the play-by-play on how each of their products are doing in the development process?
can you not tell he is having a laugh?
It's arrived!!
whoever took the time to photoshop those links in.... I salute you.
pretty sure those links are real. that's an old KHS (cannondale abortion).
Uh......that's just what the bike looked like.
Only photoshop is the logos.
You've never seen one of those before? They were pretty entertaining.
tell me more
They just broke frequently, had a crazy high leverage ratio on the shock, and had this really funny amount of pedal feedback that made it difficult to ride behind someone on one without crashing from laughing.tell me more
It was a poorly done knock off of cannondale's orginal 'gemini' suspension that they really messed up.
i thought it had been based on the fulcrum
I once watched a poor skinny teenager try to race that bike on a tight, pedally dual slalom course.
It looked like somebody trying to break in a horse.
Pile of turd that thing was.
the fulcrum i used for a while had a insane amount of pedal feedback and dead spots in the suspension in certain gears.
i think the KHS was off of the fulcrum
yup: You're right.
Fulcrum
http://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/Doug-Dalton-Cannondale-History-Part-1,923/Slideshow,2577/sspomer,2
Fulcrum
http://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/Doug-Dalton-Cannondale-History-Part-1,923/Slideshow,2577/sspomer,2
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there was an early gemini proto that was dual shock
Weren't they more or less the same exact suspension design/concept? I thought the Fulcrum was the next generation of the Gemini. The two big differences where the elimination of the "jack-shaft" sort of drive and a longer shock, but the suspension concept was the same. I may be remembering this wrong however, that $hit was a while ago.
edit: ah, i see the answer above, i should have refreshed before posting.
edit: ah, i see the answer above, i should have refreshed before posting.
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here's the fulcrum:
http://www.vintagecannondale.com/odd/98fulcrum/fulcrum.html
i'll see if i can dig up the dual shock gemini. looked pretty different
http://www.vintagecannondale.com/odd/98fulcrum/fulcrum.html
i'll see if i can dig up the dual shock gemini. looked pretty different
The Gemini name originally came from the "twin" shock proto that the Cdale team rode for a season (or maybe part of a season, I forget), they later canned that idea and named their singlepivot bikes Gemini.
I already corrected myself yo 
That was before I got into dh and all those designs are just catalogued in my brain as "weird shlt cannondale did"
That was before I got into dh and all those designs are just catalogued in my brain as "weird shlt cannondale did"
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169754&page=2
i rode one of their dual shock setups when the local rep had one he got from the team. couldnt really get a good feel for the bike at all since the air shock was blown
i rode one of their dual shock setups when the local rep had one he got from the team. couldnt really get a good feel for the bike at all since the air shock was blown
Ok, so looks like I got the order of frames right, just mixed up the names.
I'd love to see some of the other wild designs they made that never left the R&D labs.
Guys, this thread is about the new 29er DHR, not th fulcrum. Let's get back on topic.
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That's the black box build kit you need to specify when you place your order with turner. Otherwise you get the sport level plastic.
edit: you guys call wine 'goon?' I gotta start using that.
Goon is cask wine... but I've never seen it in plastic before, that's shoddy as!
Welcome to north america
Maybe it's the same platic they use for blood transfusions. Might be able to just hook it up as an I.V. drip.
Holy crap.
I have a knowledge gap of a few years when I was super into rock crawling and desert racing instead of bikes.
I've seen the bike before but never really paid much attention to how the swing arm was attached(always assumed it was a single pivot).
derp....
yeah, basically the fulcrum came out alongside jackshafts and data acquisition...then they ditched the data after testing was done...then they ditched the jackshaft to try and sell them, then KHS knocked off the design, but as has been discussed in the other thread, mms can ruin a design...I think they saw a photo of it and said "hey, we can do that". There were two generations and supposedly they hired an actual engineer for the second one, but it was still too difficult to get right and light, so that begat the dh50 with the "x" link on it.
The idea was that it pedaled great with the appropriate chainring, thus the jackshaft arrangement. Bikes without it pedaled like crap.
what kind of fulcrum did you have ih8mice?
yeah, basically the fulcrum came out alongside jackshafts and data acquisition...then they ditched the data after testing was done...then they ditched the jackshaft to try and sell them, then KHS knocked off the design, but as has been discussed in the other thread, mms can ruin a design...I think they saw a photo of it and said "hey, we can do that". There were two generations and supposedly they hired an actual engineer for the second one, but it was still too difficult to get right and light, so that begat the dh50 with the "x" link on it.
The idea was that it pedaled great with the appropriate chainring, thus the jackshaft arrangement. Bikes without it pedaled like crap.
what kind of fulcrum did you have ih8mice?
Thank you for venturing 
in two directions.
If DW would quit his moonlighting gig rockin' the mic, he might get more done.
in two directions.If DW would quit his moonlighting gig rockin' the mic, he might get more done.
We are right on topic my friend, the topic of the fulcrum enabled 29er DW link DHR tuned by proflex.
.......with wine box holder
i didnt actually own that thing. the c'dale rep gave it to our shop for the season so i tried to ride it here and there.
it was pretty much just like this one but in team Vulva Blue and Coda brakes. the fork felt like there were rocks in there not needle bearings
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I remember Missy telling me she had to have that fork rebuilt after every 2 runs!!!!! That is why they were running another brand by the end of that season. Would say it was around 1997 or 98.i didnt actually own that thing. the c'dale rep gave it to our shop for the season so i tried to ride it here and there.
it was pretty much just like this one but in team Vulva Blue and Coda brakes. the fork felt like there were rocks in there not needle bearings
Cecil