Apart from geometry tweaks, how about suspension linkages that use the shortest possible bolts, which don't get bent. They also took the popular RFX frame, lightened it up a big without decreasing strength, and came out with a new (more versatile) bike. They've also been "tweaking" the horst link all along, it's not some cookie-cutter stamped design, the horst link configuration on different turner bikes is different, so it seems that Turner has been trying to design each suspension system for whatever particular bike it was going to be attached to. There's also features that turner has been doing for a long time, and nothing "better" has come along, like bushings with grease ports, one peice CNCed BB-main pivot-shock mount. Turner may not have invented any of these things, but he has incorperated them into his frame, making them "better" over the years.binary visions said:Uh, since when has Turner done something better?