Turner Rail
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Bulldog said:
and high BB for DSMaybe you should ask RC, because he gave it a great review in a 2003 edition of MTB Action. 
Actually the Rail is a pretty sweet ride, I don't think you can really go wrong with a bike made by turner, the rail (despite the high bottom bracket, and overweight issues) was made for racing MtnX, so It'd be hard to go wrong with one, unless you were sayyyyyyy................. E.C.
Actually the Rail is a pretty sweet ride, I don't think you can really go wrong with a bike made by turner, the rail (despite the high bottom bracket, and overweight issues) was made for racing MtnX, so It'd be hard to go wrong with one, unless you were sayyyyyyy................. E.C.
i love mine
80mm fork on mine so its not tall at all
i built mmine up at 28lbs not too heavy in my book
80mm fork on mine so its not tall at all
i built mmine up at 28lbs not too heavy in my book
I loved mine. If you are looking for a Rail with a pro setup. I'd sell you mine for $1,600 complete. You can see my ad on MTBR. I have pics I can email you
Lars,
Here's a good read for you on the rail: From Dave T himself....
"taken from this thread on that other site : http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=55172 "
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The Rail from it's first inception was to be a race bike for EC. But after we got the protos going they were going to be too heavy for EC to race against the best in the world. And as ya'll know it is so much about the gate in 4X . So, he started riding an XCE based bike. He got some gates and some championships. Other pro's wanted light, snappy and just enough cush for keep from getting bucked when coming up short. We replace their bikes whenever they need. With less than 10 riders we support on XCE / Burner type frames we can handle the replacements. Meanwhile we had people that wanted the Rail for occasional races and lots of dirt jumping and street thrashing So we made it. But we had to make it so that rider can get a good life out of the frame. My philosophy has always been to keep buyers remorse out of the same sentence with the Turner name. So the Rail has to be tough, 'cause not many guys are using it to race but instead to thrash hard for hours a week. It is also going to have to be a little higher BB than a full race frame, 'cause it ain't being raced much in the big picture. There is much more oportunity to play than race and that is where the bike shines. Did having the pro racers on something else hurt the Rail's momentum? Absolutely. Did having a frame that costs as much as a full chinese built bike hurt sales? Absolutely. Did having a frame built tough enough to not leave you walking bum out the hard core racers, For Sure.
So with all this being said, What do you all want. Do you want a full race frame with light tubing and a 12.25 BB height with 2.5" of rear travel to race on, and be an actual race team frame? (30 second warranty) Do you want a rough and tough bike with adjustable rear end so you can thrash and it will hold up the Turner name in an abusive life and be able to adjust it down and race it a few times a year? Does it have to look like a race bike but be tougher built with the Turner reputation in mind? The Rail has 2 rear end settings, how many do you want? What travel fork will you want for a DJ and 4X frame. Not monster park, just YOUR normal dirt lot fun etc. No freeriding either, that is defined by big travel hucking. What I want to know is what Turner customers want, not racers that get stuff for free. What are you willing to pay for and how much? Now when we talk money please keep in mind that ALL of Turner Bikes are Made in the United States of America. Not painted here after the BB threads are chased. ****, do you want me to import a asian frame for you to pay US made prices for? Sorry, bad joke. I will leave the bait and switch to my competitors.
I will watch this forum with interest. I am always hearing from the XC guys and DH racers, now I want to hear from riders that know DJ and 4X. Here is our chance to use this forum as a market research tool. Bring it on.
David Turner
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Here's a good read for you on the rail: From Dave T himself....
"taken from this thread on that other site : http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=55172 "
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The Rail from it's first inception was to be a race bike for EC. But after we got the protos going they were going to be too heavy for EC to race against the best in the world. And as ya'll know it is so much about the gate in 4X . So, he started riding an XCE based bike. He got some gates and some championships. Other pro's wanted light, snappy and just enough cush for keep from getting bucked when coming up short. We replace their bikes whenever they need. With less than 10 riders we support on XCE / Burner type frames we can handle the replacements. Meanwhile we had people that wanted the Rail for occasional races and lots of dirt jumping and street thrashing So we made it. But we had to make it so that rider can get a good life out of the frame. My philosophy has always been to keep buyers remorse out of the same sentence with the Turner name. So the Rail has to be tough, 'cause not many guys are using it to race but instead to thrash hard for hours a week. It is also going to have to be a little higher BB than a full race frame, 'cause it ain't being raced much in the big picture. There is much more oportunity to play than race and that is where the bike shines. Did having the pro racers on something else hurt the Rail's momentum? Absolutely. Did having a frame that costs as much as a full chinese built bike hurt sales? Absolutely. Did having a frame built tough enough to not leave you walking bum out the hard core racers, For Sure.
So with all this being said, What do you all want. Do you want a full race frame with light tubing and a 12.25 BB height with 2.5" of rear travel to race on, and be an actual race team frame? (30 second warranty) Do you want a rough and tough bike with adjustable rear end so you can thrash and it will hold up the Turner name in an abusive life and be able to adjust it down and race it a few times a year? Does it have to look like a race bike but be tougher built with the Turner reputation in mind? The Rail has 2 rear end settings, how many do you want? What travel fork will you want for a DJ and 4X frame. Not monster park, just YOUR normal dirt lot fun etc. No freeriding either, that is defined by big travel hucking. What I want to know is what Turner customers want, not racers that get stuff for free. What are you willing to pay for and how much? Now when we talk money please keep in mind that ALL of Turner Bikes are Made in the United States of America. Not painted here after the BB threads are chased. ****, do you want me to import a asian frame for you to pay US made prices for? Sorry, bad joke. I will leave the bait and switch to my competitors.
I will watch this forum with interest. I am always hearing from the XC guys and DH racers, now I want to hear from riders that know DJ and 4X. Here is our chance to use this forum as a market research tool. Bring it on.
David Turner
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if you're talking about the K2 tirade, I believe the CLAIMED weight was 12.5 lbs for the frame. You should be able to shave a couple pounds at least in the frame alone.
UPDATE to anyone intrested in the Turner 4x bikes....
Clipped from: http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=55172
*****1 Week Ago #26
turnerbikes
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I am glad that some of you have taken the time to give some ideas for a 4X bike. I get the direction of where you want to go. I have Colins bike in here and EC's is on the way for a measureing session. Not sure what will happen with all this info but....... I have to work on the Highline to get it ready for production too.
David Turner
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turnerbikes
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I have EC's and Colins Mountain Cross bikes here and have scrutinized all their #s , blending them with requests from ya'll and other riders I spoke to over the phone. We are very leery of a production frame after the Rail, but with enough demand we MAY release a racing bike in 06. It will be more race oriented and much faster than a Rail. Someday when the DJ demand increases for a US made bad boy like the Rail, we will re-visit the segment much like the RFX was re-designed and now called the Six Pack.
The first frames will be built around the sponsored riders wishes, but what would you like to see for 3 sizes of top tube length if this thing reaches production? Or are 2 sizes fine? For consistancy you can drop a string line from the top surface / centerline of the head tube and measure from string rearward to the center of the BB on your favorite bike. Most of the bikes in this catagory have seat masts that are irrelevant to the front center length.
Hands to feet are what I am after, you can sit waiting for the gate.
Thanks!
DT
Clipped from: http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=55172
*****1 Week Ago #26
turnerbikes
mtbr member
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I am glad that some of you have taken the time to give some ideas for a 4X bike. I get the direction of where you want to go. I have Colins bike in here and EC's is on the way for a measureing session. Not sure what will happen with all this info but....... I have to work on the Highline to get it ready for production too.
David Turner
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turnerbikes
mtbr member
MX
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I have EC's and Colins Mountain Cross bikes here and have scrutinized all their #s , blending them with requests from ya'll and other riders I spoke to over the phone. We are very leery of a production frame after the Rail, but with enough demand we MAY release a racing bike in 06. It will be more race oriented and much faster than a Rail. Someday when the DJ demand increases for a US made bad boy like the Rail, we will re-visit the segment much like the RFX was re-designed and now called the Six Pack.
The first frames will be built around the sponsored riders wishes, but what would you like to see for 3 sizes of top tube length if this thing reaches production? Or are 2 sizes fine? For consistancy you can drop a string line from the top surface / centerline of the head tube and measure from string rearward to the center of the BB on your favorite bike. Most of the bikes in this catagory have seat masts that are irrelevant to the front center length.
Hands to feet are what I am after, you can sit waiting for the gate.
Thanks!
DT
dv8cam said:
How do you do that?
Sweet. I know a guy named hacksaw who's a pretty good dirtjumper, I could use him.dv8cam said:
I was actually thinking about this though. Some xc bikes use shocks that are something like 6.0 x 1.25. In the chip setting that's closest to the frame that normally jacks up the BB, I bet you could use this shorter shock to cut some travel and keep the measurements pretty similar with respect to HA/BB.
What if you made a new chip and installed a new, shorter shock?kidwoo said:
Maybe you an' me got sumpin to say to each other.buildyourown said:
Those chips aren't the most involved looking pieces to build or anything. Build your own.........I like that.
I guess the only thing I'd be worried about is is where you'd end up in the travel range in terms of the designed progression in the frame......but as simple as that design is, with no linkage, it wouldn't be a problem right? You could build the chip to seat the shock so that you cut down the travel to 3.75" with the same 1:3 ratio, taking off 0.37" inches off the top and bottom of the stroke.
What would you charge for something like that?
Dammit. Now I gotta buy a rail.
Kidwoo,
My rail should be here in about a week so I'll see if it can be done. I don't see why it wouldn't work. The chip would just be a different shape to keep the geo the same with the shorter shock.
You'd still have the same bb height though.
If I were making one for me it would only cost about $10-20 for material and the time it takes to push the green button on the cnc machine.
My rail should be here in about a week so I'll see if it can be done. I don't see why it wouldn't work. The chip would just be a different shape to keep the geo the same with the shorter shock.
You'd still have the same bb height though.
If I were making one for me it would only cost about $10-20 for material and the time it takes to push the green button on the cnc machine.
Sweet. I just asked chainwhip to get a measurement of the difference in offset between the two shock mount positions with the chip flipped. I'm assuming you guys are getting the same batch. I'm thinking if that offset is close to 0.5", making a new chip won't be neccessary. Give me a heads up when you guys get the goods.buildyourown said:
Find a 6.0 x 1.25 shock to put on it and we'll talk.redical said:
Here you go:kidwoo said:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42317&item=7114809724&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
Send it out to get pushed, and you are set.
Haha, high pressure salesmanship at its finest!!! I'm waiting on another frame I just got on ebay for $160. We'll see what happens with that first. Dropping 800 on a bike that doesn't really fill a need is pretty tough right now. Keep me in mind if it doesn't sell by christmas.redical said: