john kirkalde rides a turner. now i know he said to someone on this forum that he doesn't care what bike he gets because hes going to kill anyways, but i saw him ride this year and i couldn't believe the things that i saw. at mt. snow, he was by far the most out of control looking guy riding most of the time sideways, and his turner wasn't broken that weekend. he plowed a boulder off the trail with his back wheel, and it was sweet. enough, id get a turner if cost didn't matter as resale is way better.