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Two parent household prevalence and its resultant effects

Toshi

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There are many startling facts and figures in the Children's Defense Fund State of the Americas 2011 report--for instance, that prisons nationwide are funded at 2.5x the rate of schools--but a key issue that is fundamental to all the other issues in my opinion is captured in the below chart. Take a look and see for yourself how wildly different the percentages of children who live with both parents varies by ethnicity.



Given this tremendous disparity in the number of parents typically present the resultant effects are unsurprising. Two incomes are greater than one, and having two parents available likely results in the children being supervised and supported a much greater proportion of the time. Outcomes with resultant disparities include but are by no means limited to family income (see D-6; note lower contribution of present-father income for Hispanics--higher prevalence of minimum wage jobs, perhaps?), hunger/malnutrition, health of both the mother and child before and after birth, insurance status, educational achievement (H-4), and violent crime arrest rate (J-5).

How can the huge variation in the percentage of dual-parent households be explained? The knee-jerk answer would be that "black fathers are absent because they're all in jail." Note, however, that "only" 6.7% of black children have an imprisoned parent (C-9). A difference of 4.4% from the all-ethnicities mean simply does not account for the differences in dual-parent household rates that range up to 46.3% when comparing black households to Asian households. It seems to me that this instead is a cultural phenomenon. Barack Obama's and Bill Cosby's oft-mocked invocations of responsibility seem to have fallen on deaf ears both within the community of black fathers and within the community of black women who have made single motherhood, with all its easily-enough anticipated trials and travails, their collective new norm.

All this, of course, brings up the question of what to do. For once, I'm not at a loss:

DON'T HAVE CHILDREN UNLESS YOU HAVE A STABLE FAMILY AND CAN AFFORD TO RAISE THEM.

(A corollary would be: "Don't blindly follow your neighbors' and friends' life choices without thinking through the possible consequences for your own life.")

I think this is the message we should be broadcasting far and wide as public service announcements, along with providing adequate sexual education and making birth control widely and freely available. How do I know that it's not a futile effort, not "tilting at windmills" as Shared Skittles here would put it? Look at the example of Asians… Although subsets of Asians may indeed be "good at math" inherently, I'd wager that the largest boost to their collective performance is their family structure and all that that entails in turn.
 
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$tinkle

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toshi, why did you avoid the elephant in the room: marriage?

among black families, married families have an income almost double that of just a "family", and almost 3X for single mother/absent father
 

Toshi

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toshi, why did you avoid the elephant in the room: marriage?

among black families, married families have an income almost double that of just a "family", and almost 3X for single mother/absent father


I think having two adults around the house/earning a living is a much bigger deal than whether they're married or not.
 

stevew

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Toshi

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What about gay, mexican, illegal immigrant, two parent households?*


*Just to make $tinkles head explode.
I'd predict such a household would make about as much as the prototypical (but rare) single Asian mother, around $40k. The whole Hispanic + illegal part implies minimum wage jobs. That'd be a good experiment, actually, to tease out the effects of family presence vs. just money.
 

Andyman_1970

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Anecdotal: Got my hairs did about a week and a half ago. The dude cutting my hair (African American, mid 30's) just started regailing me about all his conquests. Then says "I've got to settle down now I've got 4 kids and one on the way." Come to find out after more diarrha of the mouth he goes on to tell me that the "one on the way" is with a gal he fooled around with at work. In my head I'm like "WTF is up with this dude, does he not know what a condom is?" To me it was just shocking how having all these kids was no big deal to him.

I could also share how my step-daughters bio dad was both in jail and absent..........but then that'd screw up my anecdote.........
 

TheMontashu

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Reread the end of my OP if you don't get it.
Like I said stating the obvious. Black people as a whole don't stay together, and kid are better off with 2 parents. These aren't like "points" to be made, I would almost call it accepted common knowledge. As well, the people on this site tend to have allot of money. Parents with allot of money tend to stay together more, so it's almost a moot point on here.

I would also be willing to bet that how poor you are also has as much, if not more to do with how many parents are in the household.
 

Andyman_1970

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I would also be willing to bet that how poor you are also has as much, if not more to do with how many parents are in the household.
See I think it's a culture / up bringing thing. My ex-in-Laws were dirt poor, I mean dirt as in made less than $10000 a year raising 4 kids, no more than an 8th grade education, and they stayed together for 50 years. My current-in-laws have struggled for year, declared bankruptcy at least twice and barely have a pot to piss in now, but have been together for 38 years. Granted my examples are anecdotal, but my take on the issue is it's a cultural / upbringing thing.
 

TheMontashu

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See I think it's a culture / up bringing thing. My ex-in-Laws were dirt poor, I mean dirt as in made less than $10000 a year raising 4 kids, no more than an 8th grade education, and they stayed together for 50 years. My current-in-laws have struggled for year, declared bankruptcy at least twice and barely have a pot to piss in now, but have been together for 38 years. Granted my examples are anecdotal, but my take on the issue is it's a cultural / upbringing thing.
Agreed, it's a cultural/ upbringing thing, and my point is that white, black, hispanic, if you're some poor ignorant mook, the color of the skin doesn't matter. I can think of a few stupid white girls from my high school with a "babies daddy" that they will probably never see again

I agree with Andy, and the black vs. Hispanic distinction in the data from my OP supports this.
I would also like to see generationaly, the statistics with Hispanics. Just speculation, but I would be willing to bet that you're family of immigrants is going to tend to stay together, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if 2 or 3 generations in south central or east oakland changed that.
 

sanjuro

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I didn't write anything earlier because the frankness of the data, it really bashes blacks.

I hope as a society, we can handle honest criticism, learn from it, and move on.
 

ridiculous

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Like I said stating the obvious. Black people as a whole don't stay together, and kid are better off with 2 parents. These aren't like "points" to be made, I would almost call it accepted common knowledge. As well, the people on this site tend to have allot of money. Parents with allot of money tend to stay together more, so it's almost a moot point on here.

I would also be willing to bet that how poor you are also has as much, if not more to do with how many parents are in the household.
mo money mo problems son.

Do you have any data stating that rich people tend to stay together more? Im just thinking of the people I considered rich growing up. All of their parents are now divorced or only staying together for financial reasons. Grab bag results among the children thus far.
 
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TheMontashu

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mo money mo problems son.

Do you have any data stating that rich people tend to stay together more? Im just thinking of the people I considered rich growing up. All of their parents are now divorced or only staying together for financial reasons. Grab bag results among the children thus far.
I do not at all, just a hunch. While I know plenty of rich kids who's parents got divorced, I know plenty more not so rich kids who's parents were never married, and who never had or knew their fathers. As well, think about this, when kids are 16 working a job to get a car (not that there is something wrong with that) and then working at 18 to pay for school, they are going to have a much harder time being successful in school.

Yes, mo money mo problems, BUT money does eliminate many of the issues with setting your child up for the highest success to 14 hour day ratio.
 

eaterofdog

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I was recently reading a piece where a 17 yo black girl in the projects was saying how she needed to get pregnant so the gubmint would help her get a place and she could move out of Mom's (a common thing). That's her world, that's how it works. Some worthless bum knocks you up and you get a sh1thole in the projects.

Maybe if black women respected themselves, they would get the respect they demand from everyone else.
 

eaterofdog

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In our society, we need to separate ethnic issues from culture of poverty issues. Poor people all do the same stupid sh!t, that's why they are still poor.
 

$tinkle

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sanjuro said:
I hope as a society, we can handle honest criticism, learn from it, and move on.
Do you have any data stating that rich people tend to stay together more?
when you see that they became rich mostly as a result of getting education, waiting to get married until after 25, it's fairly evident this triad [age/education/income] sets them on a path for the most stable [wrt marriage stability] of environments to raise a family. that is: if they are rich, it's likely the result of being well educated, and with the casual correlation of being not so young [therefore not willing the throw in the towel so soon].
 

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Just a little reminder (in case it wasn't obvious) that this data applies to the US alone. Just thought I would point that out because reading some of these statements like, "asians do this" and "black do that" make little sense outside of that context.
 

$tinkle

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Just a little reminder (in case it wasn't obvious) that this data applies to the US alone. Just thought I would point that out because reading some of these statements like, "asians do this" and "black do that" make little sense outside of that context.
the smart asians emigrated here & brought with them their value system which has caused them the flourish here, despite being taken advantage of for many decades.

the rest are largely relegated to serfdom while riding fixies around the polluted airs of guangzhou & yokohama