U of Florida eliminates Comp Sci department, increases athletic budget
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Completely barking mad! 
Because having felons and other assorted criminals is a better way to represent yoru school then having a bunch of smart people being smart...
Really?
'cause I'd say that's exactly what they're doing.
I get that athletics pay for a lot of what many schools do with the rest of the facility. Really, though, was there absolutely no way to cut 2% out of the football budget in order to fund 100% of an in-demand degree program?
I wonder how much of the university's donations come from former CS majors? I imagine they probably have and accounted for those numbers, but I'd be curious to see them.
Not surprising since Gainesville is a cultural void filled with strip malls and warehouse churches. They have decent mountain biking in that area (for FL).
The only gators worth watching are out in Paynes Prairie State Park on the La Chua Trail
The only gators worth watching are out in Paynes Prairie State Park on the La Chua Trail
Let's see, a Forbes "Contribution" story with the only link being a CNN iReport that's "not vetted by CNN" (and is actually a petition to save the dept). Why do I somehow think that there's FAR more to this story??
(And by the way, most football programs are fully paid for through ticket sales and contributions specifically earmarked for that program...)
(And by the way, most football programs are fully paid for through ticket sales and contributions specifically earmarked for that program...)
let's all be honest here. U of F isn't exactly known as a CS powerhouse.
Not too bad, 39th in the rankings for CS:
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-schools/department-of-computer-and-information-science-and-engineering-134130
UF is a decent value for the money:
From CISE's website
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And how many students are enrolled in CS, or take CS classes? How full are the classes? What type of grad/research work is being done that would be cut by this decision? What would be the overall impact on undergrad studies? Are they reducing classes available?
Sorry, this has all the earmarks of "Get outraged now!!" without providing any of the data or information to back it up. It could be a calamitous decision by UF, or it could be student's spinning a story, but I'll wait to see an actual news report before coming to a conclusion....
Sorry, this has all the earmarks of "Get outraged now!!" without providing any of the data or information to back it up. It could be a calamitous decision by UF, or it could be student's spinning a story, but I'll wait to see an actual news report before coming to a conclusion....
Are saying that because you know or because it's in Florida?
Their CSE program was pretty legit when I was there. I don't know what their deal is these days........you know, it's been a while.
As someone who was an Athlete at a major college this doesn't suprise me at all, especially for a southern school. My coach once told me that the profits from 1 home football game would pay for the entire athletic budget, (every team, every salary, everything) for an entire year. The remaining 5 home games were 100% profit and would go to the rest of the departments of the college. He also said our spring game, which was free to attend, would make more money on just conssesions than some college football teams would make in an entire season.
Ultimately the college is a business and it made a business descision. Not that I agree with it, just pointing out the obvious.
Ultimately the college is a business and it made a business descision. Not that I agree with it, just pointing out the obvious.
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Considering this is Florida we are talking about, the fact that they didn't decide to just start praying to make computers to do things, this isn't very newsworthy.
It is good to know that in the competitive international economy the U of F will be producing world class football players. Exactly what this country needs to remain on top. Take that China.
It is good to know that in the competitive international economy the U of F will be producing world class football players. Exactly what this country needs to remain on top. Take that China.
based on how old you are... your ass was programming on windows 98 if you in fact went there for CS
...that's for grad school. Also. 39th. not bad? B*tch please. Undergrad the school as a whole is ranked 58th.
typical american... impressed with mediocrity
I'm not the one impressed with favoring athletics or failing to consider context of rankings.
Athletics should have no special treatment and the students and facility should have to meet the same standards as the rest of the university. Universities don't exist primarily for profit unless you favor quality educational institutes like the "University" of Phoenix.
ftfy.
f77 ftwbased on how old you are... your ass was programming on windows 98 if you in fact went there for CS
also, now turns out ABET accreditation means dick, and is more & more a must-have for CS diploma mills
I didn't know where else to put this.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Man-accidentally-shoots-girlfriend-52-while-hunting/-/1637132/11542438/-/218f9q/-/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
I always find hunting accidents hilarious.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Man-accidentally-shoots-girlfriend-52-while-hunting/-/1637132/11542438/-/218f9q/-/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
I always find hunting accidents hilarious.
Before I do your research, you make it seem like Comp Sci is collegiate basketweaving.
Without comp sci majors, who do you think invented the internet? The software to run ridemonkey?
Even at UF level, their IT department is probably rife with their own graduates.
As for the facts:
Elitist intellectual
neither invented by a UofF grad.
Erm, I didn't get that out of his post at all.
Merely that there may be more issues with the CS department that contributed to its getting the axe. If class enrollment is down, or if the department is a money sink, or if good research isn't coming out of the program, it may not be sustainable for reasons wholly unrelated to the overall university's spending.
Very few decisions are made rashly, and one thing to note is the major cutbacks by the state and that while the department is being disbanded, it will be folded into other departments, which I assume will be the engineering and math departments.
But the idea that computer science is expendable, that it is not a real science worthy of its own department, is sad.
Let me put it this way: the work I do, which is fairly complicated, is all based on computer science concepts.
I cannot claim to be a computer scientist, but without them, the entire hierarchy of computer workers would collapse.
When the seeds of DARPAnet was dreamed up, it wasn't like, "Hey get this done, and we'll invent Amazon next!" When the MIT Media Lab hacks were playing Spacewar on a 60's mainframe, they didn't realize they just invented technologies which would spawn all computer graphics.
Without the protective world of academia, no way would these ideas have spawned.
I'm pointing out the idea that computer science is expendable as a total misunderstanding of how computers really work.
Who is saying that?
it is when its a mid-tier university at best.
"university" of florida
The rest of the country seems unaware that we decided to go full retard, starting with the election of that lowlife asshole Rick Scott.
never elect someone with two first names.
Don't forget the first words I wrote:
Anyone can make an open-ended implication with no facts whatsoever.
The post I responded to suggested the move to cut the CS department had some legitimate basis the poster but supplied no facts, just some questions.
I posted some facts supplied by UF CS people answering those questions as well as my own perspective on computer science, which I do know something about.
98?based on how old you are... your ass was programming on windows 98 if you in fact went there for CS
I wish!
Where does the fact that I learned FORTRAN put me?
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I think that's really the point.
He wasn't really implying anything, simply responding to the rest of the posts (including mine) which reached the immediate conclusion that the program had been cut simply to free up $2mil in the budget. Stating that we shouldn't jump to conclusions and offering some alternative thoughts isn't implying that CS is not a legitimate degree. Even if he didn't have answers to the questions.
edit: geez, 20000+ posts. That's a lot.
right next to the dinosaurs, along with jesus.
Knock it off. You're ruining my outrage!
So....... "Over the last 5 years" means that they taught ~120 undergrads per year, and since they'd be teaching students throughout their 4 year stint it means they graduate ~30 CS majors, and probably about the same masters (since it's less than an additional 4 years to get one).
And that's out of 50,000 students, or ~12,500 students per class year. So every year 0.24% of the students are CS majors, and by doing away with it they can save ~$1.7m.
Regardless of that, my original point was that so far we've heard from a student org fighting to save it, and.... a Forbes "contribution" article (ie, not journalism) based on that student org's iReport (ie, NOT journalism). So based on two pieces of biased non-factual "reporting" we're supposed to angrily run around and criticize the school's decision?
Seriously?
What other bits of propaganda do you fall for, black and white videos with scary music?
edit: My math's screwed up... It's not as low as 30 majors per year, but it's not as high as 120 either. Fawk. It'd be really helpful if I had one of those computer thingy's to fix my math for me. (it looks like ~80 students per year would be Comp Sci majors)
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capitalism. survival of the fittest.
