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Gary

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Who gave you the position to be able to speak on behalf of EVERYONE else?
I think you'll actually find a lot of viewers won't watch the entire show, or certainly won't be paying a great deal of attention to it all the way through. A procession of 40 DH riders riding one by one through exactly the same sections of track is actually kinda dull viewing if you're not entirely into the sport. I know plenty viewers who skip past the early runners but most will watch the final few fastest qualifiers final runs.

Fewer people should be racing WC. It's not a lucrative enough sport to sustain a wage for more than a handful of riders. There are litterally hundreds of riders capable of pulling off a 100th place WC Qualifying time. Many don't even race at all and the vast majority already realise they'd be wasting their money chasing a WC career. Nevermind getting into debt for it.

Wyn is already more of a media guy than a serious contender in DH. He's simply way better and more successful at the former.

You really need to stop making up stuff. Bottom line is you really have no idea what the future holds at all for DH. None of us do.
 

Gary

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A top30 finals would turn downhill into a side show and enduro would probably take over.
Do you even still ride a mountain bike outdoors? if so please open your eyes. Enduro HAS already taken over! Leaving DH as a specialist niche.
The popularity and easy access of Enduro style riding means many former DH riders don't even have a DH bike anymore and pretty much everywhere you look there's a mediocre skill level trail riding crowd who now all ride around in little enduro uniforms on Enduro bikes.
You just fucking bought one!
 

iRider

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Do you even still ride a mountain bike outdoors? if so please open your eyes. Enduro HAS already taken over! Leaving DH as a specialist niche.
The popularity and easy access of Enduro style riding means many former DH riders don't even have a DH bike anymore and pretty much everywhere you look there's a mediocre skill level trail riding crowd who now all ride around in little enduro uniforms on Enduro bikes.
You just fucking bought one!
To be fair, I think he talks about the pro-level sport and you about the general riding population.

Remember: DH bikes are like nukes: even if you do not use them, you need to own them to be considered one of the big boys. :D
 

Gary

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Well.. No. I'm talking about both if you think about it. Pro riders still all emerge from the general riding population. Except for Gwinn obvs. ;)
30ish guys just happens to sound a fairly realistic number to me if the sport is to trying to move on to showcase the genuine top teir Pro level in DH.
Most of this thread is dominated by unfounded views and assumptions when in reality none of us have any idea yet what changes are actually going to be implemented nevermind how.
Inability to accept a differing view from this is the only reason this piss poor game of keyboard ping pong is still even going on.
 

Gary

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Yeah. I've always fully accepted there are other views.

#wisdom
 
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iRider

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Well.. No. I'm talking about both if you think about it. Pro riders still all emerge from the general riding population. Except for Gwinn obvs. ;)
30ish guys just happens to sound a fairly realistic number to me if the sport is to trying to move on to showcase the genuine top teir Pro level in DH.
Most of this thread is dominated by unfounded views and assumptions when in reality none of us have any idea yet what changes are actually going to be implemented nevermind how.
Inability to accept a differing view from this is the only reason this piss poor game of keyboard ping pong is still even going on.
I am partially with you on the top 30 idea. A couple of years ago the IXS cup ran a super final with only 30 top seeding riders, the rest was in a small final. Interesting idea for sure.
 

jstuhlman

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let's be honest. 99% of their viewing audiences either watches or cares outside of top 20 or 15; however, the field should definitely stay as large as possible for the health of the sport. #whynotboth?
 

Gary

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You of course mean "neither watches nor cares", eh?

#whynotboth?
Correct me if I'm wrong. But as far as I'm aware there's been no official confirmation of any exact details or definite changes at all yet.
Almost everything here is just waffle.
 

jstuhlman

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You of course mean "neither watches nor cares", eh?


Correct me if I'm wrong. But as far as I'm aware there's been no official confirmation of any exact details or definite changes at all yet.
Almost everything here is just waffle.
sure. and dammit, now i want waffles.
 

toodles

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I wonder how often someone outside the top 30 qualifiers has won a race or been on the podium. Aside from the good ol' days (Champery) when seeding slow was an actual tactic does it happen much anymore? Laurie Greenland quali'ed 23rd for MSA but I'd have to do some real research to verify anybody else.

I'll also admit I had no idea the broadcast rights holder had so much say in how the event was run. I always kinda figured Redbull just televised the thing and put pressure on the organisers, etc for changes to venue selection and course layout. I didn't realise they basically run the bloody event and got to decide the race format and number of successful qualifiers.

Fuck I hope Nickelodeon gets it after Discovery+, then we get slime pits and Nerf gun gauntlet runs.
 

Gary

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we still have those here in Canada:
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I guarantee. The taste and texture of those is nothing like a Tunnock's tea cake. which consists of a small round shortbread biscuit covered with a dome of Italian meringue (a whipped egg white concoction similar to marshmallow, although somewhat lighter and in texture). and covered in either dark or milk chocolate (2 varieties). And they're also quite large.

We have plenty cheap inferior chocolate covered mallow cakes to choose from here. Usually a lot smaller, often with more of a gelatin texture some will also have a jam or chocolate filling inside and anything from wafer, biscuit or waffle as their bases.
Tunnocks tea cakes just aren't anything like these at all.
 
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Gary

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I'll also admit I had no idea the broadcast rights holder had so much say in how the event was run.
Who said they do?
Remember how few actual facts regarding anything other than TV viewing figures* have been typed on this thread

*Yeah. I've no idea whether any of those are factually accurate either

I wonder how often someone outside the top 30 qualifiers has won a race or been on the podium.
Top 20 Protected riders who had an issue in qualis will have. And I can't see protected riders stopping being a thing.
 

Flo33

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Ah, sweets, a good reason to chime in again.



Here's the Austrian variant, called Swede Bombs since 1926. Called so because a Swedish friend of the family helped the Patisserie to make it into production.
 

iRider

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Ah, sweets, a good reason to chime in again.



Here's the Austrian variant, called Swede Bombs since 1926. Called so because a Swedish friend of the family helped the Patisserie to make it into production.
Things to not say at an airport: hey honey, did you remember bringing the Swede bombs? :D
 

norbar

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Do you even still ride a mountain bike outdoors? if so please open your eyes. Enduro HAS already taken over! Leaving DH as a specialist niche.
The popularity and easy access of Enduro style riding means many former DH riders don't even have a DH bike anymore and pretty much everywhere you look there's a mediocre skill level trail riding crowd who now all ride around in little enduro uniforms on Enduro bikes.
You just fucking bought one!
Do you understand the context or just read the letters? Enduro is more popular to participate but we are talking about what is streamed. So stop getting off topic ( I know you want to derail every topic on this forum and basically be the Nick Cage of Topic derailing but maybe for once stop?). Do you want to no longer be able to watch DH and get bad coverage of enduro? That was my point. Not the popularity of enduro as a whole as this is not what is discussed here.
 

norbar

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Correct me if I'm wrong. But as far as I'm aware there's been no official confirmation of any exact details or definite changes at all yet.
Almost everything here is just waffle.
If it's all speculation then you can just not post and stop derailing this comment. Rumors from riders surely are not worth your time.
 

Gary

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Look up the definition of Speculation.
Speculation is pretty much just posting whatever the fuck you want. So why can't I play too?
Waaaah waaaHhh... :fie:
 

canadmos

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Its been well documented that Red Bull either ordered or majorly influenced big changes, so why would Discovery be any different?
 

norbar

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Look up the definition of Speculation.
Speculation is pretty much just posting whatever the fuck you want. So why can't I play too?
Waaaah waaaHhh... :fie:
Becuase you're not speculating but taking the whole thread off topic. The topic was dominance of DH as a thing we view not it's popularity when counting bike sales. Formula 1 is also not popular by users but people watch it.

If you want to derail a topic at least do it in a fun way. I don't know... Speak something in Gary'ish about how bikes used to be better when Scottish bagpipes powered them instead of pedals and batteries or how we are all weak men because we use tubes and not sheeps bowels.
 

fwp

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One of the best parts of the sport is how any unknown unsupported rider with enough uci points can show up on any bike, qualify, and have a shot at beating the best guys in the world. Even though its never happened, the fact that its possible is very unique and very cool imho. Guys like the denim destroyer or a kid like ronan dunne getting a podium. Thats wild when you think about how many career factory guys never sniff a podium. The underdog story is much more exciting when it happens. I say keep the path as clear as possible for the underdog, longshot guys to take their shot. Its not like doing so hurts the riders at the very top end of the field?
Maybe I just watched Rad too many times in my life?
 

norbar

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One of the best parts of the sport is how any unknown unsupported rider with enough uci points can show up on any bike, qualify, and have a shot at beating the best guys in the world. Even though its never happened, the fact that its possible is very unique and very cool imho. Guys like the denim destroyer or a kid like ronan dunne getting a podium. Thats wild when you think about how many career factory guys never sniff a podium. The underdog story is much more exciting when it happens. I say keep the path as clear as possible for the underdog, longshot guys to take their shot. Its not like doing so hurts the riders at the very top end of the field?
Maybe I just watched Rad too many times in my life?
So much this and I haven't seen Rad .