It might be technically limited to students and library members, but isn't UCLA a state/publically funded university
UCLA Student Repeatedly Tazered
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from the ucla lib website:
i point that out b/c my school (from which a grad'd last year), had a few bums who would hang out & log on to the few public computers, presumably looking for jobs. as long as they were doing something like this (and not sleeping on the couches or taking whores' baths in the loo), they were "overlooked".
this is curious, however: are readers here sure the library & its facilities are publicly accessible before 11 p.m.?
military's publicly funded. doesn't mean you can stroll up cheyenne mountain & get your war game on.It might be technically limited to students and library members, but isn't UCLA a state/publically funded university
Oh yes, public university library or high security military installation, whats the difference genius (see you post prior)
aha ok sacasm got it (edit)
sorry about posting this in the lounge
I don't normally go to the Pol, forums so i didn't look for it here
it completely discusts the situation in general and the ignorant people that support the police in this case
Someone's sarcasm meter is broken....are you kidding me, your fvcking ignorant and deserve to be shot
Badly broken... that wasn't even subtleSomeone's sarcasm meter is broken....
I'm awn yr post, lolzorating @ u!!are you kidding me, your fvcking ignorant and deserve to be shot
sorry about posting this in the lounge
I don't normally go to the Pol, forums so i didn't look for it here
it completely discusts the situation in general and the ignorant people that support the police in this case
Like I said brown and muslim, he definately was deserving it. He should make like the Wayans brothers in White Chicks so the man don't hate on him like that..... but then he would probably get date raped while the campus fuzz is out tazzing other brown people.
$tinkle's post shows that the UCLA library is available to the public, maybe not after 11, but yes generally it is. So what is the difference?
FWIW, I posted those links to show that maybe there are situations where you should not comply with the orders of a police officer as a challenge to Echo's position that we should always be good little
s and do as we are told.Ooh yeah, let's round up the ignorant scum of this world and get them out of the gene pool. I think we should start with those that have no idea of grammar.are you kidding me, your fvcking ignorant and deserve to be shot
sorry about posting this in the lounge
I don't normally go to the Pol, forums so i didn't look for it here
it completely discusts the situation in general and the ignorant people that support the police in this case
Then we can do the Arabs.
you speaking out your ass again LO? EVERY cop that carries a tazer MUST go through training which includes being "tazed".
i was able to recover in less than 15 seconds and stand up. so this kid was still resisting and kept getting tazed. i personally would have just picked the kid up and dragged him outside but perhaps there were extenuating circumstances as to why the kid had to walk out on his own. the video doesn't show what their initial reason for being there was and your e-speculation is ridiculous.
i'm not condoning their action but saying that a tazer is inhumane compared to, say...pepper spray or "hard hands", both of which are authorized to be used on resisting subjects, is ignorant. would you rather have a sore arm from having it twisted every which way but the right way, burning eyes/face/sinuses for several hours or a jolt for about 3 seconds where the pain stops immediately and the only lasting effect is the tiny needle prick from the barbs?
jon - call me and i'll set you up on a ride-along with me. your perspective on why force is sometimes necessary will change drastically. don't confuse the local law/ordinances with your hatred and high school views of federal government.
At the max setting?
Didn't sound like the tazer(s?) was set to tingle.
I had a friend of mine zap me with a stun gun once. The whole left side of my body didn't work too well for more than 15 seconds (he hit me in teh luv handle). A tazer blast is more incapacitating no?
You've used one these I assume. Have you ever zapped someone and not had them be able to move?
yea I wasn't sure if that was sarcaism or notBadly broken... that wasn't even subtle
internet saracasm is really hard to interpret
not really
the difference is the kid technically did not have the right to be there......
brown is the politically correct black
Manimal - although typically I agree with you, in this case I think it's the case of someone having a toy that they shouldn't.
I find it VERY difficult to justify using a tazer 5 to 6 times on a subject because he was in a LIBRARY doing his homework without an ID.
He may have mouthed off and been a total A-hole, but that does not justify using a weapon (and a tazer is a weapon) on him. As I said in another thread; the tazer was initially intended to be used as alternative to deadly force, and is being grossly misused a lot!
I find it VERY difficult to justify using a tazer 5 to 6 times on a subject because he was in a LIBRARY doing his homework without an ID.
He may have mouthed off and been a total A-hole, but that does not justify using a weapon (and a tazer is a weapon) on him. As I said in another thread; the tazer was initially intended to be used as alternative to deadly force, and is being grossly misused a lot!
...which has, you know, approximately nothing to do with whether or not he was justified in getting hit with a taser multiple times.
No technically, he did. He was a student.
Cops should just do what they do best, beating up hippies. No body gets upset when they see a hippy getting beat up.
But aren't you in better shape than the general public?
What about the officer threatening to use the taser on bystanders?
he's got more manfat; it doesn't conduct as well.
Cool. I guess I don't have much to worry about for myself then.
Based on that revalation, cops should taser first and ask questions later!
Ok, but back to the main question: Was this guy resisting to the extent that tasering him was necessary? There seems to be eyewitness accounts that he was already walking out of the library when he was confronted by the police officers.
And then I have to ask: Is going limp in a police officer's arms considered resisting arrest by most police departments?
Maybe it's love.
I bet one of the village people would know the answer to this.
and i can touch my nose with my tongue. does that mean that mostafa can too?
not everyone will be affected by a tazer in the same way. plus you didn't get zapped in the 'drive-stun' setting like he did. not to mention he yelled that he has a medical condition. but by all means, a kid resisting to be humiliated by the police by being dragged out of a library for christ's sake should require the same force that the police force is trained to give violent criminals. many witnesses said he was on his way out at the time, why not let him leave peacefully?
See this is where I think some of you people are not living in the real world. Security wasn't there because they were wandering around aimlessly and happened upon the situation. They were called there because this guy acted the fool enough to get the cops called on him.
As I said, go to a library and act like enough of an ass to get the cops called on you, then when the cops get there, keep right on acting like an ass. See what happens.
Mustafa's situation would not happen to anyone with a brain.
and there lies the problem.....
concurence w/ my closet winger, and to add: maybe if all the students carried tazers, this wouldn't happen.
Good point. Pointdexter assumes the Weaver stance, sets the tazer on "please, your actions annoy me" and returns the library to its former calm.
Quote from one of the articles. Video pretty much confirms that. Yeah, sounds like he was acting like a total ass - how dare he not want to get accosted and dragged out of a building he was already exiting. The nerve.
Things just kicked off at Kerckhoff Coffeehouse on campus.
As I understand it, Mostafa was on his way out after initially delaying.
http://dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?id=38958
[snip]At around 11:30 p.m., CSOs asked a male student using a computer in the back of the room to
leave when he was unable to produce a BruinCard during a random check. The student did not
exit the building immediately.
The CSOs left, returning minutes later, and police officers arrived to escort the student
out. By this time the student had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack when an
officer approached him and grabbed his arm, at which point the student told the officer to
let him go. A second officer then approached the student as well.
The student began to yell "get off me," repeating himself several times.[/snip]
Watch the video. Mostafa and the police are at the entrance to the computer lab. If he had refused to leave, would this whole thing not have started in the aisle adjacent to the computer he was using?
As I understand it, Mostafa was on his way out after initially delaying.
http://dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?id=38958
[snip]At around 11:30 p.m., CSOs asked a male student using a computer in the back of the room to
leave when he was unable to produce a BruinCard during a random check. The student did not
exit the building immediately.
The CSOs left, returning minutes later, and police officers arrived to escort the student
out. By this time the student had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack when an
officer approached him and grabbed his arm, at which point the student told the officer to
let him go. A second officer then approached the student as well.
The student began to yell "get off me," repeating himself several times.[/snip]
Watch the video. Mostafa and the police are at the entrance to the computer lab. If he had refused to leave, would this whole thing not have started in the aisle adjacent to the computer he was using?