[$tinkle]

in order to get that oil-for-food monkey off its back, the united nations has been helping "freedom fighters"

In 2003 and 2004, the Israel Defense Forces captured documentation showing how the U.N. Development Program was regularly funding two Hamas front organizations: the Tulkarm Charity Committee and the Jenin District Committee for Charitable Funds. The donations varied -- sometimes $4,000 and sometimes $10,000. Receipts and even copies of thank-you notes to UNDP were discovered. The U.N. should have exercised considerable caution with transfers of this sort, considering that in 2002, Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement described Jenin as "the capital of the suicide bombers." Nonetheless, one might ask, how was the U.N. to know that these were actually Hamas front groups?

Here's how: In June 2003, the Office of the Coordinator of the Activities of the Israel Defense Forces in the West Bank and Gaza Strip asked UNDP to stop all assistance to the Jenin District Committee because of its Hamas connection. Israel knew that Hamas operatives ran the charity; its deputy director had been a member of the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the elite terrorist unit of Hamas. Timothy Rothermel, UNDP's special representative in Jerusalem, turned down the Israeli request.

Another disturbing revelation from captured documents is the support provided by the U.N. Relief and Works Agency for the "Koran and Sunna Society" of Kalkilya. UNRWA has been heavily penetrated by Hamas for years; Hamas members dominate many of its unions, including the teachers union. But this new link represented a further deterioration in the U.N.'s connections, for the "Koran and Sunna Society" defines itself as salafi -- it adopts doctrines from militant Islam. Indeed, the "Koran and Sunna Society," which has six branches in the West Bank, distributes pamphlets published in Saudi Arabia that are often written by radical Wahhabi clerics. References to the value of martyrdom and jihad are not uncommon in these materials. One of the Society's schools, called "The Martyrs of the Al-Aqsa Intifada," received payments from UNRWA for educating children of Palestinian refugees in March and June of 2004.

- wall street journal (subscription only)

just when i think i'm done being shocked at the new depths the UN will plummet

 

[clancy98]

yep, we sure should have THEIR stamp on all of our US decisions

 

[Silver]

yep, we sure should have THEIR stamp on all of our US decisions

You think maybe thier is a place in the middle? Maybe a world in which a decision doesn't have to be kowtowing to the wishes of the UN totally or one where we tell the rest of the world to go **** themselves, because we're America?

Maybe?

 

[$tinkle]

for the near term, the u.n. can & should take dick's advice to sen. leahy.

silver: does your sig address torcaso v watkins? (footnote 11)

 

[Silver]

Well, we'll be able to argue about that if we get assigned to the same unit for the Iran invasion

No, the sig is a general quote from Russell.

 

[ummbikes]

Well, we'll be able to argue about that if we get assigned to the same unit for the Iran invasion

Cool are we all getting drafted? I need to lose weight, boot camp would do me wonders.

 

[Changleen]

UN Funds suicide bombers

and non-suicide bombers I might add. What's the difference?

At least those people are willing to die for their cause. Really, what is it about suicide bombers that makes them so reprehensible to you? If you can't afford a multi million dollar guidance system, a suicide bomber is the next best thing. If you're gonna complain about suicide bombers you've really gotta complain about any form of interanally guided weaponry.

 

[Silver]

Two reasons that bug me:

1) It's cowardly, especially when you attack civilians. I feel a bit better about attacks on military targets (but I feel that same way about dropping the atomic bombs...too. Dammit, I can't place myself on the liberal/conservative axis with this one!)

2) It's wrong to kill innocent people.

 

[mack]

Coffi Anan and his son are a bunch of thugs for stealing money.

 

[Silver]

Coffi Anan and his son are a bunch of thugs for stealing money.

You managed to misspell both his first and last names...

 

[Changleen]

Two reasons that bug me:

1) It's cowardly, especially when you attack civilians. I feel a bit better about attacks on military targets (but I feel that same way about dropping the atomic bombs...too. Dammit, I can't place myself on the liberal/conservative axis with this one!)

2) It's wrong to kill innocent people.

Neither of those address the tactic of suicide bombings, just it's targets.

And as for it being cowardly in general, do you have the balls to blow yourself up for something you believe in?

 

[genpowell71]

Why should the fact that the UN funds these things surpirse you?

 

[Changleen]

Are there any governments or institutions left in the world that Republicans don't have to hate for getting in the way of 'What's right for America, freedom and Democracy'?

 

[genpowell71]

Dude do you have any other function in here than to bust the balls of my country? You've already said that you want American servicemen and women to die in Iraq. Better not ever let me find you in my neck of the woods. You bash my country and everything it stands for. Hell you even use MY freedom of speech to run you left wing communist crap.What the hell have you done for the world to make it a better place besides run your freakin mouth?

Oh and I noticed that you are conspicuously absent from the redt of this webite. Do you even ride?

 

[Silver]

And as for it being cowardly in general, do you have the balls to blow yourself up for something you believe in?

Not at this point. If someone had killed my family though, I wouldn't go blow up my neighbor's house in protest instead of the house of the guy who did it, which is what seems to be happening in Iraq a lot lately.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

Not at this point. If someone had killed my family though, I wouldn't go blow up my neighbor's house in protest instead of the house of the guy who did it, which is what seems to be happening in Iraq a lot lately.

imagine the frustration you gotta have to blow up the neighbors house, when you want to blow up the one who did it, but his house is so far away and protected by so many pitbulls that you just gotta blow up whatever at range to blow some steam off...

 

[Changleen]

Not at this point. If someone had killed my family though, I wouldn't go blow up my neighbor's house in protest instead of the house of the guy who did it, which is what seems to be happening in Iraq a lot lately.

The house of the guy who did it is several thousand miles away and you average Iraqi is going to have trouble getting a reservation from Baghdad to Crawford.

 

[Changleen]

Dude do you have any other function in here than to bust the balls of my country?

I'm not busting the balls of your country in here genius, I'm critiquing your current administration, it's foreign and domestic policy and the mentality of the section of American society who choose to remain wilfully ignorant to the reality of the situations these have caused, often behind the hypocritical curtain of what they call their christian faith. I like America 'the place' as it were, I know some cool Americans and it really pisses me off to see a bunch of ignorant wankers piss all over it and the rest of the world because they're too wrapped up in an obvious fantasy to open their eyes.

You've already said that you want American servicemen and women to die in Iraq.

Yes, That's exactly what I said. To help you understand what I was talking about go back and read it all again but this time look up what all the words mean. And all the time try and think about this: Who, exactly, started this War? Who invaded another sovereign country against the wishes of the world? Who put themselves and every Iraqi in the line of fire in the first place?

Better not ever let me find you in my neck of the woods.

Why? Will you attempt to vent your pent-up homosexual rage on me? And anyway, I thought you loved your country that protected freedom of speech? Or are you one of those 'freedom of speech for those who agree with me' kind of guys?

You bash my country and everything it stands for.

We covered this already, billy. Now pay attention to the story like a clever boy or it's back in the sandpit with the first graders. Listen: In the eyes of the world, your country no longer stands for those things. The only people who still think America stands for Democracy and Freedom are American. It's like Vanilla Ice still thinks he's cool. Just because he thinks it, doesn't make it true!

Hell you even use MY freedom of speech to run you left wing communist crap.

ROFL - HAHAHA No actually, I didn't use yours - Silver let me borrow his ration. Hey are you gonna explain how the world would be speaking [insert language other than English] if it wasn't for America now, and then then say we'd all better be thankful that we're living under a special political system which is better and less hypocritical than anything that has ever come before and could ever possibly evolve in the future? I never get tired of hearing that!

What the hell have you done for the world to make it a better place besides run your freakin mouth?

Not voted for George Bush? What the hell has that got to do with UN funding and suicide bombers? What have you done? Given your pocket money to the church so the pastor can buy his new 'Tsunami relief' Motor-yacht? Killed some foreigners for your President's oil interests?

Oh and I noticed that you are conspicuously absent from the redt of this webite. Do you even ride?

Nope. Never. Don't even own a single bike. I just come here to wind up people like you. Hell I don't think I can even ride a bike..

Now do you have an argument or did you reply to this thread because the moral outrage your got from watching Fox has overcome you?

 

[fluff]

There's a bit of a reach in that article. At no point does it make any substance of the allegations that the UN supports suicide bombers.

The UN does provide money to charitable organisations that provide humanitarian aid within refugee areas. Jenin is a refuguee city, oddly enough the kind of place that requires humanitarian aid and also forments rebellion against occupying forces. That the people who are active in humanitarian operations are also politically active is known, that they are suicide bombers is not proven and in this article not even backed up at all.

Only recently the Israelis were forced to admit that they were wrong when they issued a photograph showing Palestinian militants using an ambulance as a missile carrier, when in fact they were collecting an injured man.

So, basically, propaganda, and not very good propaganda at that.

 

[genpowell71]

I'm not busting the balls of your country in here genius, I'm critiquing your current administration, it's foreign and domestic policy and the mentality of the section of American society who choose to remain wilfully ignorant to the reality of the situations these have caused, often behind the hypocritical curtain of what they call their christian faith. I like America 'the place' as it were, I know some cool Americans and it really pisses me off to see a bunch of ignorant wankers piss all over it and the rest of the world because they're too wrapped up in an obvious fantasy to open their eyes.

Yes, That's exactly what I said. To help you understand what I was talking about go back and read it all again but this time look up what all the words mean. And all the time try and think about this: Who, exactly, started this War? Who invaded another sovereign country against the wishes of the world? Who put themselves and every Iraqi in the line of fire in the first place?


Why? Will you attempt to vent your pent-up homosexual rage on me? And anyway, I thought you loved your country that protected freedom of speech? Or are you one of those 'freedom of speech for those who agree with me' kind of guys?

We covered this already, billy. Now pay attention to the story like a clever boy or it's back in the sandpit with the first graders. Listen: In the eyes of the world, your country no longer stands for those things. The only people who still think America stands for Democracy and Freedom are American. It's like Vanilla Ice still thinks he's cool. Just because he thinks it, doesn't make it true!


ROFL - HAHAHA No actually, I didn't use yours - Silver let me borrow his ration. Hey are you gonna explain how the world would be speaking [insert language other than English] if it wasn't for America now, and then then say we'd all better be thankful that we're living under a special political system which is better and less hypocritical than anything that has ever come before and could ever possibly evolve in the future? I never get tired of hearing that!

Not voted for George Bush? What the hell has that got to do with UN funding and suicide bombers? What have you done? Given your pocket money to the church so the pastor can buy his new 'Tsunami relief' Motor-yacht? Killed some foreigners for your President's oil interests?

Nope. Never. Don't even own a single bike. I just come here to wind up people like you. Hell I don't think I can even ride a bike..

Now do you have an argument or did you reply to this thread because the moral outrage your got from watching Fox has overcome you?

This is the kind of crap that I expect out of you. You can talk till your blue in the face and still only run your mouth. I dont like the current administration and never will. Do I agree with the war in Iraq? No, but I have to fight it. I guess you'd know all about homosexuality seeing as you can smell your own. Hurrah for silver for being a generous person. My question still stands about what have you done for the world besides run your mouth. And what have I done? I helped out and went door to door for the Disabled Veterens of America to get better benefits for them and thier families. And as for as the bike thing goes... Well, no harm in admitting your not a rider. Some can do it, others cant

 

[Changleen]

This is the kind of crap that I expect out of you. You can talk till your blue in the face and still only run your mouth. I dont like the current administration and never will. Do I agree with the war in Iraq? No, but I have to fight it. I guess you'd know all about homosexuality seeing as you can smell your own. Hurrah for silver for being a generous person. My question still stands about what have you done for the world besides run your mouth. And what have I done? I helped out and went door to door for the Disabled Veterens of America to get better benefits for them and thier families. And as for as the bike thing goes... Well, no harm in admitting your not a rider. Some can do it, others cant

:heart: Still haven't commented on the subject I see...

 

[llkoolkeg]

It would not surprise me in the least that the U.N. turned a blind eye to the money diversion or that it's fat cats lined their own pockets as payment for doing so. I believe these are called "facilitory payments". What we call bribes or kickbacks much of the rest of the world calls "the cost of doing business".

 

[genpowell71]

I see your doing the same to me.