Not trying to rain on your parade but as far as states I have lived I have had to use free health care a few times so I can attest to the fact that is exists. I was making like 16k a year at the time, and never had to pay anyone anything for more than one visit, with more than one doctor. There is stuff you have to fill out, work to do, but it is real.
That wouldn't sound as good on the political trail now would it. I mean I thought I heard / read somewhere that some democrat was claiming to be able to stop water from rising and healing the planet. I mean he must be divine.
1) Its impossible to do without a mandate - the way Obama claims to be able to do it because the flaw in his plan is that everyone will sign up, because if they don't then the taxation wont balance.
Bwahahaha...aww that was good. Ah *snif* funny stuff.
Facts and reality are a mother I know. I can't help it if I myself have lived in other countries with Socialized Medicine and know people that live here from countries with socialized medicine. Just keep drinking your "kool-aid" kids The Lord Almighty Government will solve all your problems...
Are we talking insurance or health care here. I was advocating the position that you can get cared for not that you would get insurance. Please re-read my post before trying to be so condescending.
I have read Obama's plan and AGAIN if you missed point 1 it won't work That is WHY you prefer Hilary's. Her plan DID mandate. Here is point 1 again because you obviously didn't read it: "1) Its impossible to do without a mandate - the way Obama claims to be able to do it because the flaw in his plan is that everyone will sign up, because if they don't then the taxation wont balance."
Americans just like freedom of choice man, its not about stupid, its about letting the government run something else into the ground. In a perfect world with perfect people and perfect government Communism works too. But here in reality it just doesn't.
F*cken thick those bastards.
No but you really are dense. I work with two Canadian imports here in America. They both prefer the health care system here to there. Another co-workers wife ( who currently lives in Canada ) is still waiting (4th month) to see a doctor about a private matter. She has been requesting it almost weekly and put off and put off but your wonderful health care system.
Thick like Sam Hill? That kid is bad ass.
No. Should the company you work for be able to?
I agree. But that is exactly the power you offering to the government by allowing them to control health care.
You can't? I know "it doesn't matter who you vote for as the government always gets in" but you might wanna explain yourself a bit more there.
Well, **** son, why didn't you say so. You're obviously a health care policy expert. By the way, don't listen to Toshi, he's a 12 year old with thick glasses and horrible acne who's addicted to gay pornography. He doesn't know anything about the healthcare debate.
He is not 12.
Government hardly ever RETURNS freedoms to people once lost. Just try to overturn the seat belt laws in some states. Look how long the Harley guys have been fighting the Helmet laws. I am simply illustrating those points. Look at offshore drilling watch Nancy hold congress hostage waiting for a vote. It just will be a long and painful fight that might take generations. Plus how easy is it going to be to convince the government " that not look out for your own good even if you don't agree with them" to let you smoke! When we all know its bad for you.
You keep on mashing the keys on your keyboard but you really don't say anything. Simple childlike insults and a plethora of useless commentary is all i reckon you carry in you "bag of wit and tricks". Your words discredit you thus making you seem more ignorant of these topics than I could have even hoped to demonstrate. So please carry on.
Well I don't regard not wearing a helmet or a seat belt as a freedom anyway. Even as a smoker I don't have any problems with regulations on smoking although an outright ban would be retarded as it would make the war on drugs look like handbags at 5 paces.
His acne is mostly cleared up too. I stand by my other comments.
Well, finding that info took all of .6 seconds for folks actually interested in finding it...
There we go again, resorting to personal attacks instead of facts and drama to "back up" liberal arguements...
I use the helmet law to point out a place where government has over stepped its bounds and abused its power. It has mandated that I do something that I may not want to do because it will protect me and only me from some degree(s), in theory, of harm. This is absolutely no different that the government mandating a ban on smoking to protect you, and aguablely the "second hand smoke victums" from harm, etc.... They wouldn't do that now I agree, but what about when 5000 non-smokers taxes are paying for your lung cancer treatment that could have been prevented if you had only quit smoking. If they have the power to do so - do you think they wouldn't? Really?
If you're happy with the fact that you pay twice as much for an inferior product, I'm not really going to try hard to sway your opinion.
Our insurance isn't really "paying twice as much"; a good portion of the premium goes to pay inflated bills from hospitals who have to spread out the cost of care for illegals. (do the countries you mention have illegal alien problems as bad as ours?) That cost gets passed all the way through to the insured. The insurance companies can't absorb that cost, they only average about 5% profit. (a lot less than most industries)
You might want to add to that the fact that the doctors have to carry a ridiculous amount of insurance because of BS Lawsuits. Oh by the way try suing the government because some government funded doctor makes a mistake. Talk about FAIL.
Per capita spending. The numbers aren't hidden. Look them up.
The inflated costs are hidden in the line-item charges on each hospital bill.
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Per capita spending is what we actually spend. The US number is the highest in the world, both in per capita spending and as a % of GDP.
First of all, regardless of the reasons (and there are many) Americans are paying twice as much. No way around it.
Certainly part of it. Are you also going to blame that one on illegals?
