From the sound of this we could be heading from civil war to something more like a war of liberation...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4262336.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4262336.stm
Wow, good start- so far you've advocated genocide and dictatorship as well as being openly racist. Remind me what the war is being fought over again. Seems like you're not getting Dubyas message.FatalExposure said:Actually Iraq is what is known as a low intensity conflict. Civil War is much nastier. This is what all the recent insurgent attacks have been about. Trying to drive the country into civil war. Basra has been quiet for a long time. I can remember riding down the MSR though and having little kids standing in the medians making slashing motions at their throats as we went by. Nothing a little 5.56 spanking couldn't deal with though.
It's time to take the kid gloves off and start pounding Iraq into bloody submission, which is what we should have done to begin with. Saddam understood that to rule a divided society you had to have an iron fist. Frankly, those monkeys aren't ready or deserving to govern themselves and should be placed under martial law for the next ten years while we slowly allow them to have some options. If not, then let the Kurds swoop down and annihilate the lot of them. Give the country to the last tribe standing.
My two cents coming from 18 months and twelve dead friends in that ****hole.
So you think we need to instate martial law.FatalExposure said:Wow, that scathing analysis really hurts coming from an armchair QB like yourself. Perhaps if you've ever been out of your comfort zone you'd actually have a perspective in life. it's called "BEING PRAGMATIC" and is based on actual experience ON THE GROUND, being close to the situation. I don't really expect you to understand until they draft your a$$ and send you there. Then I expect you to stand up nice and straight and salute me when I walk by. In fact salute everyone that ever set foot in that place before you.
So at this point is our goal to bring them freedom or to simply control the situation and get out? Is our end game still a net improvement?FatalExposure said:Saddam understood that to rule a divided society you had to have an iron fist. Frankly, those monkeys aren't ready or deserving to govern themselves and should be placed under martial law for the next ten years while we slowly allow them to have some options.
Obviously you have little love for the place. Should we have gone there to begin with?FatalExposure said:If not, then let the Kurds swoop down and annihilate the lot of them. Give the country to the last tribe standing.
I assume you mean soldiers' lives, not civilians. Correct?FatalExposure said:You wanna save American/British lives or argue about semantics?
So, as someone who has been there, is the country better off now or before? Obviously things under Saddam were pretty ****ty, and second guessing past decisions doesn't fix the situation, but if we made mistakes we need to make sure we learn from them. You never know when we'll be faced with a similar situation (Iran).FatalExposure said:(and let me tell you-their aren't too many friendly Iraqi's anymore)
The major strategic decisions in this conflict are being made by civilians who have never served, let alone served 6 or 12 years. How do you feel about that?FatalExposure said:Well I've done in a collective sense about 12 so thanks for your six, your perspective, but if you aren't in the game anymore, the yes you TOO are an armchair QB.
Trolling in the political forum is all. I am pretty close to these situations in real life, and I try to echo some of the sentiments I encounter everyday into an open forum. Since my avatar exists as an anonymous entity it allows me to voice things I may not neccessarily feel in myself. Those are responses I have heard throughout my 3 years in the middle east.MMike said:Wow.....this is quite the departure from your Snoqualmie thread.........
Why don't you just invade Crystal Mountian and FORCE them to run the lifts for mountain biking?
Of course not man, but damn it was fun while it lasted. Sorry I had to do it. The opportunity presented itself. Trolling is an art form. You have to be truthful, but say things in a way that really set people's teeth on edge, or come across as so egotistical/maniacal that people can't help but join in. stating your opinion as fact ALWAYS gets people crazy. And then add some fuel by crossthreading. Well, but sometimes it backfires.Echo said:Wait, does this mean you're not going to come to my house and do some jujitsu moves on my old helpless out of shape ass? :devil:
ridetoofast said:reactor you made a point, i believe a rhetorical question that is, about how we acted during our war of independence. while i have to agree there are some parallels to occupation, martial law, criminalizing speech etc, etc.
unless i missed something during history class we never killed OUR OWN PEOPLE. how can anyone justify what/how/when the insurgents do this? its fvcking barbaric! if and i do mean IF their actions were soley directed towards the occupying force, i might be able to rationalize their behavior. obviously i would still have to disagree with it as i don't want to see our soldiers killed, but i could still see the 'point' of it.
when they started to kill their own people as a means of intimidation, division for the sake of civil war, etc, etc. i really could give a s h i t less what our soldiers do to them.
and before some of you say thats cold hearted, ruthless, uncompassionate etc, etc, put yourself in the shoes of the innocent fvck that these 'noble' insurgents whack for the sake of making a point...
Echo said:Wait, does this mean you're not going to come to my house and do some jujitsu moves on my old helpless out of shape ass? :devil:
Your history teacher skipped over what happened to the Loyalists?ridetoofast said:reactor you made a point, i believe a rhetorical question that is, about how we acted during our war of independence. while i have to agree there are some parallels to occupation, martial law, criminalizing speech etc, etc.
unless i missed something during history class we never killed OUR OWN PEOPLE. how can anyone justify what/how/when the insurgents do this? its fvcking barbaric! if and i do mean IF their actions were soley directed towards the occupying force, i might be able to rationalize their behavior. obviously i would still have to disagree with it as i don't want to see our soldiers killed, but i could still see the 'point' of it.
when they started to kill their own people as a means of intimidation, division for the sake of civil war, etc, etc. i really could give a s h i t less what our soldiers do to them.
and before some of you say thats cold hearted, ruthless, uncompassionate etc, etc, put yourself in the shoes of the innocent fvck that these 'noble' insurgents whack for the sake of making a point...
Why did you edit your original reply? It was much much betterFatalExposure said:Wow, that scathing analysis really hurts coming from an armchair QB like yourself. Perhaps if you've ever been out of your comfort zone you'd actually have a perspective in life. it's called "BEING PRAGMATIC" and is based on actual experience ON THE GROUND, being close to the situation. I don't really expect you to understand until they draft your a$$ and send you there. Then I expect you to stand up nice and straight and salute me when I walk by. In fact salute everyone that ever set foot in that place before you.
FatalExposure said:Wow, that scathing analysis really hurts coming from an armchair QB like yourself. Perhaps if you've ever been out of your home state you'd actually have a perspective in life. Heres one for you tough guy. BLOW ME.
I don't really expect you to understand that political dissent is the purest form of patriotism. I took an oath to protect and defend this country against all enemies foreign and domestic. My disagreeing with out country's misguided foreign policy is my way of doing that.Originally Posted by FatalExposure
I don't really expect you to understand until they draft your a$$ and send you there. Then I expect you to stand up nice and straight and salute me when I walk by. In fact salute everyone that ever set foot in that place before you.