US Army using NAPALM in Fallujah

TheInedibleHulk · Dec 2, 2004

I've never heard of this news site before, legit?? Dailyrotten.com doesnt exactly sound like CNN, in fact it sounds pretty sketch, any other sources for this info?

valve bouncer · Dec 2, 2004

I think this one is a wait and see. Just a word for Rotten. I check their news site everyday, kinda entertaining but you do have to wade thru a lot of crap to get the good stuff. Check out their library section http://www.rotten.com/library/ lots of great stuff in there. Warning- this page is safe but in case there's still one person in all of Internetdom who doesn't know what Rotten is about the site does have some ...ummm....disturbing images. Just a bit of cya.

N8 v2.0 · Dec 2, 2004

preppie said:
quote from dailyrotten.com

US troops are secretly using outlawed napalm gas to wipe out remaining insurgents in and around Fallujah. News that President George W. Bush has sanctioned the use of napalm, a deadly cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel banned by the United Nations in 1980, will stun governments around the world. And last night Tony Blair was dragged into the row as furious Labour MPs demanded he face the Commons over it. Reports claim that innocent civilians have died in napalm attacks, which turn victims into human fireballs as the gel bonds flames to flesh... Since the American assault on Fallujah there have been reports of 'melted' corpses, which appeared to have napalm injuries. Last August the US was forced to admit using the gas in Iraq."

the link :

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=14920109&method=full&siteid=106694&headline=fallujah-napalmed-name_page.html

.......this is a good old WARCRIME

Ahh... bring back the ol' flamethrower... nothing like giving dug-in enemy a lil' light...

BurlyShirley · Dec 2, 2004

Why do you people have such short memories?

This issue was adressed at the beginning of the invasion, and was shown to be a something similar to Napalm, but that it was legal.

And secondly, Preppie, NONE of those news sites is credible. The very fact that you posted them as such lends nothing to your credibility to "change minds" around this place, which is supposed to be the point after all.

llkoolkeg · Dec 2, 2004

preppie said:
Yes that's true, Rotton.com isn't a 'real' legit source,
but here are some links to other more legit sites.

http://okimc.org/newswire.php?story_id=316&comment_order=asc&save_prefs=true

http://www.ntimc.org/newswire.php?story_id=1511

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/world/2004/11/301929.html

http://theotherwashington.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/21/32937/834

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=5875 -- hehe

Well, thank goodness someone stepped up to the plate with links to truly impartial news sources!

mrbigisbudgood · Dec 2, 2004

preppie said:
You don't 'have' to believe that the US Army is using Phosphor and napalm bombs in Fallujah....but if this is true - it isn't wright.

Those sites may be somekind of 'fishy' to you, but credible news sites, do they exist ??

The US army NEVER used uranium..........untill the truth came around the corner....so lets wait and see

Your wright! This just isn't wright!

Zark · Dec 2, 2004

preppie said:
The US army NEVER used uranium..........untill the truth came around the corner....so lets wait and see

Depleted Uranium rounds aren't and never have been a secret, but you're probably "wright"

-BB- · Dec 2, 2004

BurlyShirley said:
Why do you people have such short memories?

This issue was adressed at the beginning of the invasion, and was shown to be a something similar to Napalm, but that it was legal.

And secondly, Preppie, NONE of those news sites is credible. The very fact that you posted them as such lends nothing to your credibility to "change minds" around this place, which is supposed to be the point after all.

OMG.... the Apocolypse is upon us...

I agree with BS!!

N8 v2.0 · Dec 2, 2004

mrbigisbudgood said:
Your wright! This just isn't wright!

You're wright! I'm gonna wright my congressman wright now, and see if he can wright the situation!

Wright on preppie!

ncrider · Dec 2, 2004

"I love the smell of Napalm in the morning"

Yeah it kinda weak, but I finaly beat all you witty quoters to something

ncrider · Dec 2, 2004

ncrider said:
Yeah it kinda weak

wow, I didn't know I could type in ebonix.

Transcend · Dec 2, 2004

jesus, it's a friggin war. Stop your pansy ass whining. Any weapon that keeps "your" side from losing more soldiers then the enemy is a good thing from a security perspective.

Napalm is pretty damn effective as well. They aren't fighting "fair" or by the laid out rules of engagement, so why should the USA?

Wearing enemy/civilians outfits is also banned under the geneva conventions. As is attacking 3rd party (red cross etc) aid workers.

Transcend · Dec 2, 2004

preppie said:
You don't 'have' to believe that the US Army is using Phosphor and napalm bombs in Fallujah....but if this is true - it isn't wright.

Those sites may be somekind of 'fishy' to you, but credible news sites, do they exist ??

The US army NEVER used uranium..........untill the truth came around the corner....so lets wait and see

You do know every army uses willie pete to mark targets etc right?

You also know that every army uses depleted uranium rounds to fight against armor right? RIGHT? It has nothing to do with the radiation, it has to do with the fact that it is much denser then lead rounds and carries on through armor without a second thought. mm, spall.

N8 v2.0 · Dec 2, 2004

Sounds to me like we coulda used quite a bit more napalm in Fallujah...

Reporter's Notebook: Dying for Fallujah
Fox News | Tuesday, November 23, 2004

The dangers of the assault on Fallujah didn't really become clear to me until Thursday afternoon, Nov. 11. The U.S. military (with journalists embedded with India Company of the 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment) had already been in the city nearly three days.

We'd seen our share of "Shock and Awe" (the air, artillery and tank barrage as the Marines entered Fallujah (search) was nothing short of a modern-day Dante's "Inferno"). We'd gone along and watched as Marines blasted in doors, scaled walls and turned up weapons and weapon-toters the blood-thirsty terrorists that this mission was all about.

But again, it took until that Thursday for the difficulty of this campaign to sink in. That's when we watched as Lance Cpl. Clayton South was carried out on a stretcher from a house in the northwestern section of the city.

We'd gotten to know the good-looking 28-year-old Indianapolis native over the prior 10 days as we were specifically embedded with his Third Platoon.

FOX viewers might remember South, too. He was the one who, when I asked what he thought the invasion would be like, replied, "It'll be a walk in the park ... just a little more boom-boom."

He was right on the latter part, anyway. He was leading a "fire team" into the second floor of the house when he opened up one door and found himself face to face with a heavy-set, gun-toting insurgent who opened up on him.

Also caught in the hail of bullets: Lance Cpl. Ray Lopez from Odessa, Texas. His injury touched me as well.

It was this 20-year-old with whom I entrusted my life on the first night of the invasion. In order to make our exit from the assault vehicle (search) as seamless as possible, we attached ourselves to a "fire team" within Third Platoon, and it was Lopez whom we hustled behind into a blinding night of explosions, gunfire and confusion.

Others in that platoon were lightly injured in the Thursday incident before the gunman was very definitively gunned down. But there would be one more casualty that day, and that, too, hit home.

It was the commander of the platoon, 2nd Lt. J.P. Blecksmith. The 24-year-old had graduated from Annapolis last year. He was a likeable guy and had asked my opinion, the night before the invasion was launched, about which DVD he should watch.

The last time I saw Blecksmith he was standing outside the house where the firefight had taken place where all his young men were a bit scattered and disheveled by the bloodshed and fighting they had just been through.

One of the older officers took Blecksmith aside and told him, "Get a hold of your men ... and get back into the battle."

He nodded quietly and launched a move back into a row of houses where it was thought other insurgents were hiding out.

A half-hour later, as we were with another unit a block away, we got the news: J.P. had been killed, a sniper's bullet finding its way around the upper front corner of his flak jacket, downing the burly fellow, snuffing out an incredibly promising life.

In fact, India Company (which numbers, without added personnel, just over 150) would see three of their Marines killed in action and another 22 injured, 13 of them seriously. But just about none of them gave up the fight despite some of the most harrowing conditions you could ever dream of.

Imagine entering a strange city, and going house to house, door to door, and behind any door, a guy with a gun might be lurking to try and blow you away.

Oh, and you're not going in the front entrances of these places. Because of the risk of explosives, these guys did their "house-hunting" climbing walls, jumping roofs, squeezing down alleys.

At the end of the mission, depleted by stress and exhaustion, I asked 20-year-old Chicago native Lance Cpl. David Jelinek how many houses he thought he'd gone into.

"A thousand," he told me, "easily a thousand."

These guys easily aged 10 years in a week. They saw it all. Not just their own being killed, but gunning down others, coming across families huddling in the ruined landscape, hauling in detainees and tons of weapons and explosives in this one-time terror playground.

"It was bad ... it was really bad," Lance Cpl. David Enright told me. He asked me not to give his age (he's got to keep up appearances with some lady friends back home), but this "twenty-something" came into this assault a battle veteran.

He was in on the invasion last year and spent one harrowing afternoon pinned down in a trench in an open field while Saddam's men fired away. He said this was worse. And you could tell by the grizzled look of Enright's face that he'd take an open field over a dark, narrow, smoky house.

A lot has been made in the last few days about the conduct of the Marines in this battle, following a videotaped shooting by a Marine of an allegedly injured and unarmed Iraqi.

I wasn't there and so can't comment firsthand about that act, but I can tell you what I saw with India Company: A bunch of guys doing a back-breaking, nerve-wracking job, in the best way they knew how, with the best conduct you could expect.

Were the Marines I was with on their best behavior because a FOX camera was along? Maybe. But I'd like to think it had more to do with a dedication to achieve the mission and a dedication to their fellow Marines.

India Company's assault on Fallujah lasted exactly one week. A few houses away from their most southern limit of operation last Monday (they had pushed down two miles from the northwestern part of the city), they came across the biggest grouping of insurgents they would find in the assault.

The commander of India Company, Capt. Brian Chontosh, told me he thinks some 100 rebels were hiding out in that neighborhood. A nine-hour battle would leave at least 22 insurgents dead, another 10 injured and 33 detained.

There were Marine casualties, too, including Cpl. Shane Kielion. He was a real nice kid, always polite and helpful to the FOX team. As a radio operator for the company's officers, he was always in the thick of battle.

On that day, Nov. 15, he was standing on a roof when an insurgent fusillade hit him in the head. I learned later he died from the wounds. I also learned that the 23-year-old had a wife who gave birth to their child on the same day that Kielion died.

India Company is not leaving Fallujah any time soon. Their orders are to stay in the city and see to it that the civilians come back safely and the city gets rebuilt and up on its feet without the insurgents keeping them under their boots.

It's not going to be an easy job. Most Marines I talked to said it could be rougher than the invasion.

I can only figure, though, that these guys will work a little harder on that future mission because of their colleagues who have fallen fighting the mission just wrapped up.

Changleen · Dec 2, 2004

Transcend said:
jesus, it's a friggin war. Stop your pansy ass whining. Any weapon that keeps "your" side from losing more soldiers then the enemy is a good thing from a security perspective.

Napalm is pretty damn effective as well. They aren't fighting "fair" or by the laid out rules of engagement, so why should the USA?

Wearing enemy/civilians outfits is also banned under the geneva conventions. As is attacking 3rd party (red cross etc) aid workers.

So why not just Nuke em then? :rolleyes:

Transcend · Dec 2, 2004

Changleen said:
So why not just Nuke em then?

Because then not only do you commit genocide (or something closely resembling it), but you also make a large swatch of very fertile land, with lots of natural resources, and the bithplace of the mdoern world as we know it, uninhabitable for something like 10k years? (or whatever the halflife of that particular weapon's radiation is).

Napalm is a strategic weapon that can be semi selective and gets the job done with a great bang for your buck. You can make it at home quite easily, styrofoam coffee cups and high octane racing fuel.

Changleen · Dec 2, 2004

Transcend said:
Because then not only do you commit genocide (or something closely resembling it), but you also make a large swatch of very fertile land, with lots of natural resources, and the bithplace of the mdoern world as we know it, uninhabitable for something like 10k years? (or whatever the halflife of that particular weapon's radiation is).

Napalm is a strategic weapon that can be semi selective and gets the job done with a great bang for your buck. You can make it at home quite easily, styrofoam coffee cups and high octane racing fuel.

So you support the use of napalm then?

Changleen · Dec 2, 2004

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FL02Ak02.html

Fallujah doctors have identified either swollen and yellowish corpses without any injuries, or "melted bodies" - victims of napalm, the terrifying cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel. Our sources confirm testimonies by residents who managed to escape the Jolan neighborhood of bombing by "poisonous gases". A resident called Abu Sabah told of "weird bombs that smoke like a mushroom cloud ... and then small pieces fall from the air with long tails of smoke behind them. The pieces of these strange bombs explode into large fires that burn the skin even when you throw water over them". This is exactly what happens to people bombed with napalm or white phosphorus. The UN banned the bombing of civilians with napalm in 1980. The US is the only country in the world still using napalm.

N8 v2.0 · Dec 2, 2004

Changleen said:
So you support the use of napalm then?

Well not the carb rich napalm... but perhaps something like... say, napalm-lite perhaps?

Transcend · Dec 2, 2004

Changleen said:
So you support the use of napalm then?

100%. Not only is it incredibly effective as a weapon, but it scares the bejesus out of the enemy who sees it used. You tend to think twice about fighting when you know you may be turned into a cocktail wiener

Changleen · Dec 2, 2004

N8 said:
Well not the carb rich napalm... but perhaps something like... say, napalm-lite perhaps?

Wow, you're a bigger asshole than I ever though was possible.

N8 v2.0 · Dec 2, 2004

Changleen said:
Wow, you're a bigger asshole than I ever though was possible.

It's so typical of you to be tiny-minded....

BurlyShirley · Dec 2, 2004

Changleen said:
Wow, you're a bigger asshole than I ever though was possible.

I say mix bees in with the napalm, just to make it worse.

N8 v2.0 · Dec 2, 2004

BurlyShirley said:
I say mix bees in with the napalm, just to make it worse.

What was the thread where someone suggested grapalm or something like that?

Changleen · Dec 2, 2004

Transcend said:
100%. Not only is it incredibly effective as a weapon, but it scares the bejesus out of the enemy who sees it used. You tend to think twice about fighting when you know you may be turned into a cocktail wiener

Well, there goes any shred of a moral highground you ever had.

N8 v2.0 · Dec 2, 2004

Changleen said:
Well, there goes any shred of a moral highground you ever had.

Yo eileen... forget napalm... remember the US was gassing innocent Iraqi terrorists and their ilk... http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102199

Changleen · Dec 2, 2004

I'm glad you all think that commiting war crimes against a civilian population as a result of your military's incompetance is so funny.

N8 v2.0 · Dec 2, 2004

Changleen said:
I'm glad you all think that commiting war crimes against a civilian population as a result of your military's incompetance is so funny.

No sh!t... all those innocent gun/RPG totin' civilians who were left in Fallujah getting whacked, smacked and popped by a bunch of mean ol' US Jarheads...

Booo-fawcking-hoo...

They use chemical weapons out of despair and helplessness in the face of the steadfast and fierce resistance put up by Fallujah people, who drove US troops out of several districts, hoisting proudly Iraqi flags on them. Resistance has also managed to destroy and set fire to a large number of US tanks and vehicles.

The US troops have sprayed chemical and nerve gases on resistance fighters, turning them hysteric in a heartbreaking scene, an Iraqi doctor, who requested anonymity, told Al-Quds Press.

-Islam.net

Apparently Da Resistance` was able to knock out a LARGE NUMBER of US tanks as well.... so you know that this report is absolute FACT!

Transcend · Dec 2, 2004

Changleen said:
Well, there goes any shred of a moral highground you ever had.

You aren't very in touch with reality are you?

Come complain to me about weapons being used when you are the one being shot at by an enemy who is also not follwing the rules of war. You'd want every edge you could get too.

Changleen · Dec 2, 2004

Transcend said:
You aren't very in touch with reality are you?

Come complain to me about weapons being used when you are the one being shot at by an enemy who is also not follwing the rules of war. You'd want every edge you could get too.

Who invaded who? The onus is on the US, as the invading and occupying force, to uphold the highest standards. Something you apparantly cannot understand.
The US army, with all it's advanced weaponry, massive superior force in terms of numbers, armour, support - against a bunch of gus with 20 yr. old AKs and RPGs - still is so apparantly so bad at it's job it needs to fall back to the use of internationally illegal weapons. Pathetic and may I add, way to achieve your stated objectives of 'winning hearts and minds'. Unless of course, your Commander in chief is an utter liar.

Transcend · Dec 2, 2004

Changleen said:
Who invaded who? The onus is on the US, as the invading and occupying force, to uphold the highest standards. Something you apparantly cannot understand.
The US army, with all it's advanced weaponry, massive superior force in terms of numbers, armour, support - against a bunch of gus with 20 yr. old AKs and RPGs - still is so apparantly so bad at it's job it needs to fall back to the use of internationally illegal weapons. Pathetic and may I add, way to achieve your stated objectives of 'winning hearts and minds'. Unless of course, your Commander in chief is an utter liar.

You are seriously deluded man. This isn't a war where advanced weaponry etc will come in handy. DO you not follow any real news sources? It is a guerilla war. Very different state of affairs.

Guess what? wearing an enemies uniform or civilian clothing is also internationally illegal due to the geneva conventions. Guess you are just too stupid to realize this.

You utopian happy land morons are ridiculous. Hello, IT'S A WAR, not a picnic. Let reality into your little bubble.

BurlyShirley · Dec 2, 2004

Changleen, how many times do I have to say it? "Its not ****ing Napalm"

Transcend · Dec 2, 2004

BurlyShirley said:
Changleen, how many times do I have to say it? "Its not ****ing Napalm"

napalm, willie pete...what's the difference?

dan-o · Dec 2, 2004

If the insurgents really cared about the Iraqi people they wouldn't occupy civilian areas, using mosques and residential areas as cover. But they don't, knowing the political ramifications for the US, and unecessary carnage (both physical and human)occurs. The US attempts to minimize physical damage and civilian casualties, while ultimately unsuccessful on both counts, is why battles like Fallujah last more than a few days.

TheInedibleHulk · Dec 2, 2004

N8 said:
Sounds to me like we coulda used quite a bit more napalm in Fallujah...

Reporter's Notebook: Dying for Fallujah
Fox News | Tuesday, November 23, 2004

We'd gone along and watched as Marines blasted in doors, scaled walls and turned up weapons and weapon-toters the blood-thirsty terrorists that this mission was all about.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA, oh man N8... thats a good one.... thanks for the laugh.

N8 v2.0 · Dec 2, 2004

Changleen said:
Who invaded who? The onus is on the US, as the invading and occupying force, to uphold the highest standards. Something you apparantly cannot understand.
The US army, with all it's advanced weaponry, massive superior force in terms of numbers, armour, support - against a bunch of gus with 20 yr. old AKs and RPGs - still is so apparantly so bad at it's job it needs to fall back to the use of internationally illegal weapons. Pathetic and may I add, way to achieve your stated objectives of 'winning hearts and minds'. Unless of course, your Commander in chief is an utter liar.

You're sofa king wee tar ted...

RhinofromWA · Dec 2, 2004

BurlyShirley said:
Changleen, how many times do I have to say it? "Its not ****ing Napalm"

Dude the article said the corpses were yellow.....

yellow corpses, are apperantly, only created by Napalm. And nothing close to but OK'd as you have stated could possibly produce such a result.

I have no facts to bring to the table, so I am just chiming in to be a arse.....atleast I can admitt it.

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