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US debates military strikes on 'nuclear Iran'
Financial Times


The Bush administration's warnings that it will not "tolerate" a nuclear-armed Iran have opened up a lively policy debate in Washington over the merits of military strikes against the Islamic republic's nuclear programme.

Analysts close to the administration say military options are under consideration, but have not reached a level of seriousness that indicate the US is preparing actual action.

When asked, senior officials repeat that President George W. Bush is removing no option from the table - but that he believes the issue can be solved by diplomatic means.

Diplomacy on Wednesday appeared stalled.

The US and its European allies on the board of the International Atomic Energy Agency continued to wrangle over the wording of a resolution on Iran which insists it has no intention of using its advanced civilian programme to make a bomb.

Gary Schmitt, executive director of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), a neo-conservative think-tank, says that with "enough intelligence and spadework", the US could "do a good job" of slowing Iran's programme for a while.

But, he cautions, the Bush administration would need a "game plan" for the aftermath.

That long-term approach is lacking, analysts say, and has floundered in the debate over "regime change".

Asked whether Israel would take military action if the US dithered, Mr Schmitt replied: "Absolutely. No government in Israel will let this pass ultimately."
 

Slugman

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Westy said:
War games show unfavorable results for Pre-emptive Iran strike. Of course that does not mean that Bush will not go for it anyway.
So from the article I know that the US has a plan for an attack Iran (but no plan TO attack), but it's not a good one. The alternative plan is to covertly eliminate the leaders and place puppet gov't in place, becasue that has worked so well in the past...

Gee, this will make the middle east feel good about it's relations with the US.

Why do we even release things like this... Do they think all of the Middle East is illerate? :rolleyes:
 

mattv2099

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These countries (N. Korea, Iran, etc) should be pre-emptive stirking America's ass. This is BS. Some countries should hook up and tag-team pre-emptive strike America's ass. Some po-dunk middle east country should be the martyr and draw more of America's military there then a bunch of other countries should tag-team beat the **** out of America. America needs the regime change.

America's full of fat dumbasses who care about nothing but watching TV and spending money on useless crap. Consumerism is evil.

The Bush administration is HAPPY that the assault weapons ban has been lifted. Bush wants America to be better armed NOW. An armed American population is the only thing that will deter the rest of the world from invading America. That's a freaking 300 million person militia to dea with (if they can neutralize America's military which is unlikely).

It's all F'd. So hopefully America's economy will continue to go into the ****ter and eventually America will fall.
 

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golgiaparatus said:
"regime change"... jesus christ... is this the solution for everything? it may have been a walk in the part with some pussy govmt like the Taliban but Iraq should be proof positive that this sort of crap is a bad idea.
I am personally hoping to see some kind of regime change come November.

It seems pretty clear to me that Iran is reacting to being called part of the Axis of Evil. They know we won't try to fvck with N.Korea because they have nukes, so they want them ASAP. Iran no doubt would be trying to get the bomb but they would be much more likely to negotiate if W did try to scare the hell out of them.
 
Westy said:
I am personally hoping to see some kind of regime change come November.

It seems pretty clear to me that Iran is reacting to being called part of the Axis of Evil. They know we won't try to fvck with N.Korea because they have nukes, so they want them ASAP. Iran no doubt would be trying to get the bomb but they would be much more likely to negotiate if W did try to scare the hell out of them.
I think someone missed the news about 3 months ago.

CHINA will attack N Korea if they try to go south. Economically, N Korea can't fight a war with the south. they have niether the money or the supplies to do it. They barely have enough fuel for their jet pilots to fly 8 hours a fiscal quarter. Their war material is all from the 60's and 70's. N Korean tanks and artillery pieces are crap, and so is the Moral in N Korea. Besides, the last thing China wants is another democracy next to their homeland. So I wouldnt worry about Korea for the moment.
 
mattv2099 said:
These countries (N. Korea, Iran, etc) should be pre-emptive stirking America's ass. This is BS. Some countries should hook up and tag-team pre-emptive strike America's ass. Some po-dunk middle east country should be the martyr and draw more of America's military there then a bunch of other countries should tag-team beat the **** out of America. America needs the regime change.

America's full of fat dumbasses who care about nothing but watching TV and spending money on useless crap. Consumerism is evil.

The Bush administration is HAPPY that the assault weapons ban has been lifted. Bush wants America to be better armed NOW. An armed American population is the only thing that will deter the rest of the world from invading America. That's a freaking 300 million person militia to dea with (if they can neutralize America's military which is unlikely).

It's all F'd. So hopefully America's economy will continue to go into the ****ter and eventually America will fall.
Sounds like someone is in need of a good arsewhoopin. Give me an address and I'll be happy to help you out!!!
 

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mattv2099 said:
These countries (N. Korea, Iran, etc) should be pre-emptive stirking America's ass. This is BS. Some countries should hook up and tag-team pre-emptive strike America's ass. Some po-dunk middle east country should be the martyr and draw more of America's military there then a bunch of other countries should tag-team beat the **** out of America. America needs the regime change.

America's full of fat dumbasses who care about nothing but watching TV and spending money on useless crap. Consumerism is evil.

The Bush administration is HAPPY that the assault weapons ban has been lifted. Bush wants America to be better armed NOW. An armed American population is the only thing that will deter the rest of the world from invading America. That's a freaking 300 million person militia to dea with (if they can neutralize America's military which is unlikely).

It's all F'd. So hopefully America's economy will continue to go into the ****ter and eventually America will fall.
I think much of the US's policy is crappy but that shizz is over the line... I'm with GP on this one... "someone is in seed of an asswhoopin"
 

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It's pretty sad that he can't write what he wants on a political forum without 2 people telling him they want to kick his arse for his opinion.
 

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Changleen said:
It's pretty sad that he can't write what he wants on a political forum without 2 people telling him they want to kick his arse for his opinion.
Why is it sad, if he choses to spout off insults and wishes of harm to americans as his form of expression, they can suggest :nuts: as their form of expression.

He is proposing killing of people, yet you're offended by the suggestion of kicking his arse... Nice.

It's not he opinion, it's the delivery.
 

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So it's OK to propose killing anyone else in the world (as often happens on this forum) but not Americans? Sometimes the double standards on here are ridiculous...
 

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mattv2099 said:
These countries (America, Israel etc) should be pre-emptive stirking Iran's ass. This is BS. Some countries should hook up and tag-team pre-emptive strike Iran's ass. Israel should fly in with artack helicopters and start ****, and draw more of America's military there then a bunch of other countries should tag-team beat the **** out of Iran. Iran needs the regime change.

Iran's full of fat dumbasses who care about nothing but praying to Allah and beating up defenceless women. Islam is evil.

The Ayatollah's administration is HAPPY that the nuclear inspections have been stopped. They want Iran to be better armed NOW. An Iraninan regeime with the Bomb is the only thing that will deter the rest of the world from invading Iran. That's a freaking 300 Kiloton explosion to deal with.

It's all F'd. So hopefully Iran's economy will continue to go into the ****ter and eventually Iran will fall.
See what I'm getting at? People post **** like this all the time. Somehow America is not subject to the same level of criticism? I think not...
 

Slugman

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Changleen said:
So it's OK to propose killing anyone else in the world (as often happens on this forum) but not Americans? Sometimes the double standards on here are ridiculous...
So where is the double standard here?

From what I read, everyone was against action in Iran... then mattv2099 started to froth at the mouth. He was the first to propose bloodshed.

Are you about to quote other threads... because I know peopel have said things, but quotes from other threads would be out of context.

People are reacting to what he said in this thread...
 

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Slugman said:
So where is the double standard here?

From what I read, everyone was against action in Iran... then mattv2099 started to froth at the mouth. He was the first to propose bloodshed.

Are you about to quote other threads... because I know peopel have said things, but quotes from other threads would be out of context.

People are reacting to what he said in this thread...
Why would taking my lead from other middle east threads be out of context? My point is, patriotism is fair enough, but to have a political debate forum where 'the host nation' is somehow more important than all those other countries we discuss is BS! Read what I just posted and say you haven't read loads of posts like that in the past. You know you have, but no-one threatens to 'kick the ass' of their postees.

Let's just get a little perspective here eh? If someone attacks America's position, or suggest a course of action to deal with what they percieve to be wrong with America, you should be able to defend it without resorting to threatening an ass kicking, don't you think? Unless you can't defend it because he's right?
 

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Changleen said:
Let's just get a little perspective here eh? If someone attacks America's position, or suggest a course of action to deal with what they percieve to be wrong with America, you should be able to defend it without resorting to threatening an ass kicking, don't you think? Unless you can't defend it because he's right?
:think: no.
 

Slugman

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Changleen said:
Why would taking my lead from other middle east threads be out of context?
Becasue those discussions have use specific situations that are different than this one.

Are you saying that all the actions the US takes are for the EXACT same reason? There is not difference to you between actions we have taken in Iraq I, Iraq II or Afganistan?

What about all the other conflicts that we've been involved in? Somalia? Grenada? Vietnam? Korea? Europe? Panama? Why are they not relevant if the others are? We've sent troops into all those places...
 

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Slugman said:
Are you saying that all the actions the US takes are for the EXACT same reason? There is not difference to you between actions we have taken in Iraq I, Iraq II or Afganistan?
No... That's no what I am saying at all...did you read what I wrote?
What about all the other conflicts that we've been involved in? Somalia? Grenada? Vietnam? Korea? Europe? Panama? Why are they not relevant if the others are? We've sent troops into all those places...
Did I say they weren't? What are you smoking? No offence but your post makes no sense.. I feel like you have made a step in your mind you have not shared with the group...
 

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genpowell71 said:
When's the last time you had one of your countrymen tell you that they want to have people come into your country and kill your fellow new zelanders?
Actually, If you visit a Maori forum you see that **** all the time. The 'normal' response is to point out how ludicrous that course of action is, not to tell that person they need a good kicking..

Also BTW I NOT A NEW ZEALANDER I JUST LIVE HERE. I know that's hard for some of you to undestand, not having left the town you were brought up in...
 

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mattv2099 said:
These countries (N. Korea, Iran, etc) should be pre-emptive stirking America's ass. This is BS. Some countries should hook up and tag-team pre-emptive strike America's ass. Some po-dunk middle east country should be the martyr and draw more of America's military there then a bunch of other countries should tag-team beat the **** out of America. America needs the regime change.

America's full of fat dumbasses who care about nothing but watching TV and spending money on useless crap. Consumerism is evil.

The Bush administration is HAPPY that the assault weapons ban has been lifted. Bush wants America to be better armed NOW. An armed American population is the only thing that will deter the rest of the world from invading America. That's a freaking 300 million person militia to dea with (if they can neutralize America's military which is unlikely).

It's all F'd. So hopefully America's economy will continue to go into the ****ter and eventually America will fall.

I for one happen to be an American, PROUDLY, and do not fall under your "most Americans" category. But you are correct about the masses being over-consuming and useless. Also, a country armed with assault weapons is not necessarily a good thing especially with a population as large as ours due to all of the "bad seeds" in our society and their quest for personal gains. You are also correct that, we do have an extremely effective military and it would take many nations to reduce American strength, that or irresposible decisions made by the governmental branches. The latter being more likely.
 
Changleen said:
Also BTW I NOT A NEW ZEALANDER I JUST LIVE HERE. I know that's hard for some of you to undestand, not having left the town you were brought up in...

Also BTW, I spent 1998-2001 living in Europe. I spent 2002 in Kosovo, and 2003 I was in Iraq. Before that, I was in your part of the world. I've been to Aussie-land Hawaii, Japan and there around the area. Just because I live in the US dont think I havent been around the world atleast twice.

I'm also noticing that you seem to be getting a bit touchy about putting postings on here. Whats the matter? Did I offend?
 

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genpowell71 said:
Also BTW, I spent 1998-2001 living in Europe. I spent 2002 in Kosovo, and 2003 I was in Iraq. Before that, I was in your part of the world. I've been to Aussie-land Hawaii, Japan and there around the area. Just because I live in the US dont think I havent been around the world atleast twice.

I'm also noticing that you seem to be getting a bit touchy about putting postings on here. Whats the matter? Did I offend?
Good - More Americans should get away from home. From your resume I'd guess you are in some way attached to the Military? I'd like to know what you were doing/did in all those places.

And yes I was pissed earlier.
 

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BTW - 85% Of Americans have never left America and a slightly smaller percentage have never left their birth state.