US Open Gee Atherton inverted fork
can a moderator please delete everything having to do with Demo9's dealings this weekend/fox service in general (start a new thread) and can we go back to discussing this interesting new prototype?
this thread:
tl;dr
but from a quick skim:
A) pecking order for service at races:
1 - factory team riders for the company
2 - other factory team riders sponsored by the company
3 - pros (racers)
4 - ams (racers)
5 - anyone else if they have time for them
dunno why this is so hard to grasp, its been this way for years and years and years
B) i loved my shiver (inverted fork). would be stoked to test out an inverted 40.
tl;dr
but from a quick skim:
A) pecking order for service at races:
1 - factory team riders for the company
2 - other factory team riders sponsored by the company
3 - pros (racers)
4 - ams (racers)
5 - anyone else if they have time for them
dunno why this is so hard to grasp, its been this way for years and years and years
B) i loved my shiver (inverted fork). would be stoked to test out an inverted 40.
I would be interesting to ride it again and see how it would feel today. I did really like my Shiver too. Super durable and very smooth but just to much weight for me to through around.
Agreed on the Shiver. Only reason I got rid of it was that I sold the bike it was on. Guess we play the wait-and-watch game with this Fox.
i hated my first gen Shiver. my Foes F1 was worlds better then the Shiver (except the awkward sized steerer tube in the Foes)
everyone was more or less gung ho on the 888. plus, shivers were a few grams away from being boat anchors
No idea but my guess is they realized the build was too heavy and would not work for what customers were looking for at the time. The whole thing would have to be redesigned inside and out.
Pure genius for the whole interwebs to see.
Personally, I think more options is a good thing. An inverted fork on a race rig would likely be a cool thing to have. But I was always a fan of the Marz Shivver, aside from its weight.
at the Pro GRT race before the US Open, Fox replaced a ton of non-racer's cartridges for free.
These had a 30mm axle as well ? My brother-in-law had one way back ('97?), and from memory it was pretty good. Mind you, it was up against old Z1's, Judy's and maybe a Jt T... it'd be interesting to compare it to a modern fork.
yeah, they came with 30mm Hadleys (4-rotor bolt) back then just like the new ones. the version i have is 6.5" but they later had a 8" "XL" version.
ive see a spy shot of an updated version of the F1 Wet One but nothing has come of it.
id love to mount mine to one of my DH bikes, but its still hanging on my wall.
sounds like a good companion to the champ...
also, used shivers FLY in the used market. people gobble them up quick.
What was the stiffness like on them old F1's? Don't think I've ever seen one in person but they always look well beefy in pics!
for the time they were great but bigger crashes/dismounts tended to twist the fork sometimes.
Awesomeness... I used to have a MrDirt fork. Still have some of the CarbonFiber guards sitting in my parts box!!
come on...how could anybody NOT have predicted we'd come back to this?!?!?!?!
as did I....and I liked it better than the first 40 I rode in 06 or 05. It weighed a ton, but it worked. Stainless steel stanchions.
I don't claim to be a DH racer, I was into the freeride thing and my 2006 Fox 40 RC2 was easily the best long travel fork I ever owned, amongst a big number of Marzocchi Jnr-T, Super T-Pro, 888R, 888RC, Rockshox Boxxers and Totems, lyrics, domains, etc.First, thanks Todd.
Second, thought I'd post my 2 cents, forwhatever thats worth. Hopefully more rep than I can spend!
I think the reason Fox is making an inverted fork is because they've taken the 40 as far as they reasonably can, and the muppets that buy things always want new stuff. Lets be honest, I'd say that most of the riders out there can't really push a 40 anywhere near its limits of performance. Thats not a dig, just a fact that most of us aren't anywhere near world cup status and skills..
Fox 40 = super confidence
the inverted fork looks interesting for sure
It's nice to know I'm ahead of the curve for a change. Went back to inverted mid-season last year and liking it:
Maybe this was already mentioned but isn't one of the major advantages of the inverted design the larger bushing overlap? Plus, wouldn't internal volume of the uppers give you some more leeway in designing damping circuits with larger oil volumes?
Maybe this was already mentioned but isn't one of the major advantages of the inverted design the larger bushing overlap? Plus, wouldn't internal volume of the uppers give you some more leeway in designing damping circuits with larger oil volumes?
Look at the change in fox 40 oil volumes in recent years and tell me they want to use more oilIt's nice to know I'm ahead of the curve for a change. Went back to inverted mid-season last year and liking it:
Maybe this was already mentioned but isn't one of the major advantages of the inverted design the larger bushing overlap? Plus, wouldn't internal volume of the uppers give you some more leeway in designing damping circuits with larger oil volumes?
moar shimz, moar oilLook at the change in fox 40 oil volumes in recent years and tell me they want to use more oil
I would if I could, it's such a waste to read the replies in a hijacked thread. It would be alot easier to read without all this upside down fork chit chat in the way.
+1 for new thread and then let the drama/bashing continue there
btw, that proto fork looks beefy and miss my Shiver too.
I guess I was just thinking in terms of heat dissipation; but if they're getting more with less already I see your point. Plus, lubricants themselves just seem to be getting better.Look at the change in fox 40 oil volumes in recent years and tell me they want to use more oil
I would actually want them to run a bit more oil and a more maintanance free system. Im not really anal about how often I service my fork but since they change it why not go that way.
That's weird because a buddy of mine who just bought a new 2011 Kashi 40 had some knock issues that the FOX techs fixed for him in less than an hour...
Did you show the techs how many bikes you had before asking them to work on your gear?
I agree with what Socket said a few pages back - but it will be interesting to see where FOX goes with it. That fact that they want to experiment and try something new is what race development programs and R&D are all about. THIS is what evolves the tech side of the sport. Just because they are testing something doesn't necessarily mean it is a product that is slated for production. Recall the slippery silver stanchions that Gee, Rache, and others were riding a few years ago - those never made it past testing.
Good on FOX for trying something new.
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The silver didn't work, but kashima did. If inverted doesn't work, maybe they'll try a linkage fork with an RP23
Sorry for your butthurtation.
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On a more useful note:
Shivers had good dampers, were boat anchors, and the deflection was an issue if you had any weight to you.
Nothing against inverted forks; Shivers (despite my disdain) were popular, the original TPC Dorados were high maintenance, but pretty sweet, the WB forks -- never touched em, but they got great feedback.
Im good at scratching up my lowers, but as long as the stanchion guards are well designed, not an issue.
Im feelin the love people give the new dorado, wouldnt mind one, but I've bled enough money this season already...
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all the ones ive tried or others that people i know have had, sucked.
This seems fair to me.... if they happily work on stuff that isn't mounted onto a racer's bike everyone will be trucking in with their buddy's broken gear to get a free fix... something they obviously have to nip in the bud.
interesting...
cant DL video to get screen grab....looks like that one is a air spring
might just be the normal preload cap without the knob. you know how those WC guys like to shave grams
Fox must be confident in their prototype fork with this inverted design. If not, there is no way they would have a HUGE name in DH riding the fork for a practice run, especially on a course where he's getting his photo taken at least 50 times on the way down. Props to Fox for going to a new design to at least explore what else can be done to bring something different to the table.
At least for myself, I'll be watching closely at the WC's and other big races through-out the year to see if anyone else pops up on one of these prototype inverted forks or if Gee happens to sport it again.
At least for myself, I'll be watching closely at the WC's and other big races through-out the year to see if anyone else pops up on one of these prototype inverted forks or if Gee happens to sport it again.