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US OPEN -vs- Fort William!!!

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  1. bizutch

    bizutch Delicate CUSTOM flower

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    Brady(via FOOL) :devil: just posted the World Cup schedule on his site www.hcor.net. Looks like the UCI wants it to be their show and nothing else.

    I assume Diablo will be pissed to say the least. I'll let the rest of you post the possible repercussions!
     

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  2. tmx

    tmx aka chromegoddess

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    Yeah, I was so bummed about that.
     
  3. dante

    dante Unabomber

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    looks like a high-stakes game of chicken between Diablo and UCI. bet UCI blinks first, it's foolish of them to mess with the powerhouse that is the US Open...

    :D
     
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    Hey, that was me, god damn it.
     
  5. DS Dom

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    Well I can say one thing for sure.. the US Open isnt gonna change its date.
     
  6. Cant Climb

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    would it be bad if US racer won it for a change......?...
     
  7. Inclag

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    Well, that would mean that it didn't attract the top racers in the world :p
     
  8. Cant Climb

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    American racers have been improving the last 2 seasons.......getting them some prize money early in the year could do alot for their season....
     
  9. ricebowls

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    It really comes down to the companies rather than the riders. I'm sure 99% of the riders would rather race the US Open but the companies would rather go for the exposure...especially in Europe (for Euro companies) and that would most likely mean World Cup.
     
  10. bizutch

    bizutch Delicate CUSTOM flower

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    bet oyu guys have all the '06 brochures already printed.
     
  11. Cant Climb

    Cant Climb Turbo Monkey

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    Ft William had 50,000 specatators this year.....thats a little bit of exposure and excitement over there.......
     
  12. Jeremy R

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    That is insane. 50,000. I forget how crazy for the sport they are over there.




    I hope the dates stay.
    That way maybe I can qualify next year. ;)
     
  13. Transcend

    Transcend My Nuts Are Flat

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    The UCI won't change it's date due to conflict. It would be very wise of the US open guys to do so..otherwise they will lose MANY athletes to ft bill.

    After having been there last year, I would say it is the most popular and exciting UCI Dh event by far (including ste anne, worlds etc etc).
     
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    50K people at the race? did the Norba series even get a third of that attendance?
     
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    I dont think it will matter...US OPEN will still do fine, and Ft. Bill will go off as usual. Would be cool to have them on diff. weekends, but seems US OPEN has not attracted the WC field just yet, and the guy that have gone US OPEN in the past will still do it as they can not afford to goto europe.
    So what I am saying is, this kinda sucks, but its all good. Years ago when the NCS races were off the hook, the UCI put some world cups on same weekends, it almost helped in a way because it generated some buzz, people talking about who is going where, mags trying to cover both races etc...this could work out to be a good thing.
     
  16. Fool

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    Not to mention some no-name (no offense to any no-names) will have a strong chance to go home with five thousand dollars.

    Let me say that again: Five. Thousand. Dollars.
     
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    The US Open had plenty of world cup riders there. Hill, Kavoric, Rennie, and more.
     
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    I dont know if I would go that far. This list is all the riders from the top 20 that went to ANY world cups. As you can tell, only ONE of them went to every single world cup last year. Im not sure if it was injury that kept them all away or if it was other reasons (the only one i know was injury for sure was sam)

    Sam Hill
    missed 4 (injury)​
    Nathan rennie
    missed 1​
    Mick Hannah
    missed 2​
    Justin Havukainen
    missed 0​
    Chris Kovarik
    missed 2​
    David K
    only went to 1​
    John Kirkcaldie
    missed 6​
    Geritt Byetagh
    only went to 1​
    Duncan Riffle
    only went to 2​
    Rich Houseman
    only went to 2​
    Chris Vandine
    only went to 2​
    Andrew Neethling
    missed 2​
    Henry O Donnell
    only went to 3​
    Curtis Keene
    only went to 1​

    For those of you saying that the US Open should change the date, you should think about it in the sense that out of close to 400 racers only a handfull are actually commited to the world cups, to the other 395 racers, its the perfect long day weekend that allows people to travel a bit further to race than usual, and still make it back to work on time.
     
  19. Transcend

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    Ah I didn't know that it was a long weekend. That makes sense, just nice to attract the biggest names in the business you know? Makes it an even more prestigious event.
     
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    UCI also has the 4X/DS crowd/racers but then again the US Open is put on by NCS which is always good. We know UCI won't change their dates, and Diablo's to cool to reschedule...should be exciting
     
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    Trust me, thats exactly what we WANT. It just doenst make sense for us to change our weekend and risk loosing a greater % of the 400 riders. It will STILL be a prestigious event, im guessing we will only loose a few of the austrailian guys and not to much more. I would be suprised if the turnout was smaller next year than it was this year.
     
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    The US Open is put on by the NCS?? I dont know what the NCS is but the US Open is put on by Diablo Freeride Park which is independantly owned by Terralogic Industries aka 1 guy. Diablo is not 'to cool' to reschedule, it doesnt make sense to reschedule, I can guarantee that maybe 1% of the guys responding to any messages regarding this could even race at a world cup, so why does it matter to you? In the past, norba nationals have been on the same weekends as world cups...
     
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    I know I'll be at the Open again, hopefully walking away 5 g's richer
     
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    Transcend My Nuts Are Flat

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    If the beer's on you, I'll skip Fort William. :D
     
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    Everything will be on me if I win, I'll probably leave with less money than I came with. Hahaha
     
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    Isn't that how it should be? :thumb:
     
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    there might even more pros coming to the Open if the top top riders like Hill will be at FtwIll. you know there have to be many-a pros women at home sayin "boy you betta get out there and make that money"
     
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    Fraser, you're 0 for 3 at the US Open so far. . . . you've got no excuse this year so long as they let you over the border :nope:
     
  29. Transcend

    Transcend My Nuts Are Flat

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    Except i have a paid trip to europe again this year for work, Ft Bill and Willingen this time.
     
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    Hey Dom-

    To me, it just seems like Diablo is right on the verge of going REALLY big-time with this, and it makes a lot of sense to swallow your pride a little and concede to the almighty UCI just this once, as much as that may suck. I mean, the Open gets tons of U.S. media coverage and attention from riders who have historically raced in the U.S., but how many Europeans know anything about it? Juggle the date a bit so that the Euro teams can attend, and you know the Euro media will follow. Speaking from experience, taking a product that is really well-known regionally and making some concessions so that it's really well-known internationally makes a HUGE difference in your bottom line down the road.

    When you also consider the amount of money to be made off pit space fees (I'm constantly reminded each time I cut a check for the Bang Bus to setup somewhere), it further strengthens the argument. As I recall, a chunk of the prize money last year came from pit fees, so think of the snowball effect you could have if you were able to even increase the payout over $5K: more money means more teams/pits which means more money which means more teams/pits, etc.

    The weekend just before Ste. Anne seems like a perfect date. There are no other major commitments on the UCI calendar that weekend, and I'm guessing that a ton of WC pro teams would be happy to come to the States a week earlier for a shot at that cash and maybe a day or two in NYC.

    Tell Shawn to give me a buzz if he has time. I really see a lot of parallels between where Diablo is now and where we were a couple years back - that is, having an innovative product that could really go off with the right exposure - and I'd love to help out in any way that I could.

    Later,

    JP
    P.S. See what you can do to arrange a DDT flyover on the week before the event to erradicate those goddam inchworms. :)
     
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    hahaha

    John, you make a great point and I too also hope that Shawn can figure something out to make this event truly blow up, it's most definitely on the verge of being one of if not the biggest event in DH without a doubt.
     
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    And as far as moving it to the weekend before ste. anne. i believe the water park is open then? THat means no big mt bike race whatsoever
     
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    sorry i meant to say isnt put on by Norba and i wasnt being sarcastic when i said DIablo was to cool to reschedule :rolleyes:
     
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    Yeah, it would be good to see the US Open resheduled to the week before MSA. Don't know much about it over here in Euro-land, but I'd definately be up for it if I manage to enter the Mt.St.Anne WC this next year.
    The Pro turnout would be HUGE as John P. said with extra Euro teams and all the Privateer racers who would want to make a big roadtrip out of it and MSA.
    Swallow some pride and reap the rewards!
     
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    i may sound stupid but its my opinion and im sticking with it. i think that as long as the us open is run the way its been in years past there will always be a huge turnout for it. plus its called the us open so who cares if all those racers from europe dont show up. there will always be great riders at the open so i say leave the date how it is.
     
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    There is a lot more involved than 'swallowing some pride.' Im sure you have never been to Diablo freeride park and dont really know how it works but Memorial Day weekend is the LAST weekend before Mountain Creeks water park opens up for the season. When the water park is open it is NOT an ideal situation for running an event as large as the US Open. I actually dont even know if it would be possible due to legal constraints with the waterpark. For those of you that dont know, Diablo Freeride park is Independantly owened and operated by Terralogic Industries and leases access from Intrawest (mountain creeks parent company). This does not allow Diablo to simply do whatever they please. Running Diablo Domination series races while the water park is open is already a problem and thats about 1/10th the scale of the US Open. If the race was the weekend before MSA i dont even know if Diablo would be able to provide ANY pit space for teams or technical support. Take my word on this, you dont want all the people from the waterpark around all your riding stuff all weekend, things would be missing for sure.
     
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    sorry man, didn't realise the constraints:-)
     
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    if i were a WC racer, 5Gs for 3 or 4 minutes of my time is a no brainer. US Open fo'shizzle!
     
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    hahahaha.... good choice of words, and very well put (it is sad but true)
     
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    If you were a world cup racer, you would have a contract saying you were to race WCs.