[N8 v2.0]

Awarded to Sgt. 1st Class Paul R. Smith.

First time since 1993 when the two Delta Force soldiers in the 'BlackHawk Down' battle in Somlia were awarded the medal.

Link: http://www.sptimes.com/2005/02/02/Tampabay/Iraq_hero_joins_hallo.shtml

An account of the battle, and Smith's life in January 2004. It can be seen at www.sptimes.com/paulsmith

 

[Changleen]

Is this another 'Joe' thread? Or is the US government giving away computer games now?

 

[genpowell71]

I guess a combat leader sacrificing himself for his men to keep them alive isnt worthwhile to you.

Oh thats right, you want American servicemen and women to die over there...

By the way, what citizenship do you claim? American or NZ?

 

[Changleen]

I guess a combat leader sacrificing himself for his men to keep them alive isnt worthwhile to you.

Oh thats right, you want American servicemen and women to die over there...

By the way, what citizenship do you claim? American or NZ?

Why do you always want to make it about me? Are you a stalker?

p.s. your sig is still lame.

 

[genpowell71]

Why do you always want to make it about me? Are you a stalker?

p.s. your sig is still lame.

You open that mouth and dishonor a hero of MY country and it offends me. He died in a heroic way. Maybe you dont see it that way, I dont care. He died doing what he could to save his soldiers. Why do I make it about you? Because you sit on that pompus high horse bashing all the people that I serve with and I feel that because I CAN say something about it, that I must.

P.S. I'm supposed to care what you think abouy my sig why?

 

[fluff]

Why do you always want to make it about me? Are you a stalker?

p.s. your sig is still lame.

You can turn sigs off you know...

 

[binary visions]

Is this another 'Joe' thread? Or is the US government giving away computer games now?

Don't be an asshole.

Have some respect for the dead, especially those that died protecting others.

If that was you out there, or your brother, or your best friend, would you like some insignificant little prick like yourself dishonoring your/their memory?

 

[valve bouncer]

You open that mouth and dishonor a hero of MY country and it offends me. He died in a heroic way. Maybe you dont see it that way, I dont care. He died doing what he could to save his soldiers. Why do I make it about you? Because you sit on that pompus high horse bashing all the people that I serve with and I feel that because I CAN say something about it, that I must.

P.S. I'm supposed to care what you think abouy my sig why?

Gee General I can just see the veins throbbing in your neck and the fine mist of froth settling on the keyboard. Settle down or you'll do yourself a mischief.

It was interesting to see how the incident for which this guy won his medal occurred at almost the same time as the Jessica Lynch story. I wonder who was more deserving of press coverage at the time or rather why the spin-doctors had to invent crap when real heroes were available?

 

[Silver]

Gee General I can just see the veins throbbing in your neck and the fine mist of froth settling on the keyboard. Settle down or you'll do yourself a mischief.

It was interesting to see how the incident for which this guy won his medal occurred at almost the same time as the Jessica Lynch story. I wonder who was more deserving of press coverage at the time or rather why the spin-doctors had to invent crap when real heroes were available?

Was Smith a cute little blond?

 

[Changleen]

Don't be an asshole.

Have some respect for the dead, especially those that died protecting others.

If that was you out there, or your brother, or your best friend, would you like some insignificant little prick like yourself dishonoring your/their memory?

Don't tell me how to think about dead soldiers.
Why should I have any respect for someone who chooses to devote his life to the kiling of others? Why should I be sad when he dies?

 

[Echo]

Don't tell me how to think about dead soldiers.
Why should I have any respect for someone who chooses to devote his life to the kiling of others? Why should I be sad when he dies?

Nobody asked you to be sad.

 

[Changleen]

Einstein on War, pretty much reflecting my own feelings about it:

"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once".

"Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."

 

[Changleen]

The hypocracy of the whole thing is especially vile considering it is the US who is the aggressor here.

 

[binary visions]

Don't tell me how to think about dead soldiers.
Why should I have any respect for someone who chooses to devote his life to the kiling of others? Why should I be sad when he dies?

Nobody has asked you to be sad. Nobody has asked you to think positively about this person or this war.

However, I have nothing but the purest contempt for someone who is so petty as to belittle one who has given his life for his country & fellow soldiers. It was not his war - whether or not you agree with the reasons for the U.S. being there is entirely irrelevant.

Have a little respect for someone who has family and friends who grieve for him after he gave his life trying to defend his comrades' lives.

 

[N8 v2.0]

Einstein on War, pretty much reflecting my own feelings about it:

"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once".

"Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."

Of course Einstein was damn glad to be protected by the US military during that whole Nazi thing...

Einstein learned of the tragic events unfolding in his former country from his new home in the United States. Only a decade earlier, he had argued passionately against war. But now Einstein recognized that war was the only option.

THE STRUGGLE TO DEFEAT HITLER
A Call for Action
The rise of Nazism in Germany during the 1930s—and the conviction that Hitler could be defeated only by military force—prompted Einstein rethink his strict pacifist views. Increasing numbers of Jewish refugees were fleeing Germany, bringing with them horrific tales of Nazi persecution; Einstein, who was also Jewish, left for the United States in 1932.

When three refugee physicists confided to Einstein that the Nazis might be developing a new weapon—an atomic bomb—he decided to act. Despite his previous appeals for governments to dispense with the weapons of war, Einstein wrote to President Franklin Roosevelt in 1939 alerting him to "a new phenomenon [that] would...lead to the construction of bombs" and suggested that the United States accelerate its atomic weapons research program. Scholars debate the effect of this letter. Einstein signed it in 1939 and the Manhattan Project, the U.S. effort to build the bomb, began in 1941.

Link; http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/einstein/peace/ww2.php

 

[Changleen]

Nobody has asked you to be sad. Nobody has asked you to think positively about this person or this war.

However, I have nothing but the purest contempt for someone who is so petty as to belittle one who has given his life for his country & fellow soldiers. It was not his war - whether or not you agree with the reasons for the U.S. being there is entirely irrelevant.

Have a little respect for someone who has family and friends who grieve for him after he gave his life trying to defend his comrades' lives.

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
~John Stewart Mill

Funny you should choose Mill, who would probably be horified you choose to use his words in defence of those in this particular war. Do you know what else he stood for?

Maybe when N8 and others like him take the time to recognise the deaths on the opposing side and not attempt to belittle or deny them I'll have an ounce of sympathy for him posting things like this. Untill then, enjoy wallowing in your patriotic hypocrtical fantasy world.

 

[I Are Baboon]

Of course Einstein was damn glad to be protected by the US military during that whole Nazi thing...

owned

 

[binary visions]

Actually, I removed the quote simply because this is not a discussion about the war, or anything relating to the war.

This was a discussion about your total lack of respect.

To base your own respect on the beliefs of others is truly sad. Have you no feelings of your own? I disagree with the war, and I am saddened by the casualties that were suffered. That does not, however, give me the right to belittle this particular casualty - nor do I disparage the people who died on the other side.

 

[Changleen]

Actually, I removed the quote simply because this is not a discussion about the war, or anything relating to the war.

This was a discussion about your total lack of respect.

To base your own respect on the beliefs of others is truly sad. Have you no feelings of your own? I disagree with the war, and I am saddened by the casualties that were suffered. That does not, however, give me the right to belittle this particular casualty - nor do I disparage the people who died on the other side.

This is making me angry - you are missing my point! N8, who posted this article, has posted other threads with the express purpose of downplaying or even denying Iraqi casualties in the war. What is more belittling than that? To deny even their existance?

Now he posts a thread asking us to feel sorry for a single US soldier, and celebrate his heroism and patriotism.

Obviously it is sad that anyone has to die in this pointless exercise, but:

Sorry. Not buying into his sickening self-aggrandisement.

 

[fluff]

This is making me angry - you are missing my point! N8, who posted this article, has posted other threads with the express purpose of downplaying or even denying Iraqi casualties in the war. What is more belittling than that? To deny even their existance?

Now he posts a thread asking us to feel sorry for a single US soldier, and celebrate his heroism and patriotism.

Obviously it is sad that anyone has to die in this pointless exercise, but:

Sorry. Not buying into his sickening self-aggrandisement.

If you don't like the thread simply don't respond...

It has little political or discussion content and would probably have had no replies had you not made an issue of it.

You did not need to respond, quit while you're behind, you're not gonna get ahead.

Or do you think every member of every nation's armed forces is a tool?

 

[Westy]

Or do you think every member of every nation's armed forces is a tool?

I'm sure NZ's forces are just trained to look sharp in uniforms and possibly dance with a policeman, biker and construction worker.

 

[N8 v2.0]

Changleen is no supporter of the Anglo-American War of Aggression in Iraq nor of any other Anglo-American policy.

 

[Changleen]

If you don't like the thread simply don't respond...

It has little political or discussion content and would probably have had no replies had you not made an issue of it.

You did not need to respond, quit while you're behind, you're not gonna get ahead.

Or do you think every member of every nation's armed forces is a tool?

Thanks for the advice, Dad.

 

[fluff]

Thanks for the advice, Dad.

Quit acting like a teenager then...

 

[fluff]

Changleen is no supporter of the Anglo-American War of Aggression in Iraq nor of any other Anglo-American policy.

I am no supporter of the Anglo-American War of Aggression in Iraq either. But I don't blame the individual troops, I blame the heads of state.

 

[Changleen]

I am no supporter of the Anglo-American War of Aggression in Iraq either. But I don't blame the individual troops, I blame the heads of state.

That wasn't what I was talking about. Jeeze, you never listen to me. Do you even know who I am?

*slams door and turns up heavy metal*

 

[fluff]

That wasn't what I was talking about. Jeeze, you never listen to me. Do you even know who I am?

*slams door and turns up heavy metal*

You are so grounded...

 

[Changleen]

You are so grounded...

So you're gonna let N8 get away with denial of Iraqi deaths and grandstanding US deaths? That's not a father figure I can respect! You used to have principals, man.

 

[N8 v2.0]

Quit acting like a teenager then...

So you're gonna let N8 get away with denial of Iraqi deaths and grandstanding US deaths? That's not a father figure I can respect! You used to have principals, man.

CHICK FIGHT!!!!

 

[Changleen]

CHICK FIGHT!!!!

You can't watch, pervert.

 

[genpowell71]

The hypocracy of the whole thing is especially vile considering it is the US who is the aggressor here.

Like I said in an earlier thread, your just a victim of your own propaganda.

And N8... You are such a girl

 

[fluff]

And N8... You are such a girl

Snigger!

 

[Changleen]

Oh, the irony...

You still haven't fixed your sig?

 

[llkoolkeg]

Changleen, you need to rent a hammock on a deserted island somewhere to live because otherwise, someone is incurring your naive hatred for accepting the dubious task of defending your worthless life!

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

Changleen, you need to rent a hammock on a deserted island somewhere to live because otherwise, someone is incurring your naive hatred for accepting the dubious task of defending your worthless life!

but that someone isnt making it for love either...

 

[binary visions]

This is making me angry - you are missing my point! N8, who posted this article, has posted other threads with the express purpose of downplaying or even denying Iraqi casualties in the war. What is more belittling than that? To deny even their existance?

Now he posts a thread asking us to feel sorry for a single US soldier, and celebrate his heroism and patriotism.

The really sad part of this is that you let someone like N8 get you this worked up.

Don't you see? It doesn't matter who posted the thread. What matters is that you demeaned someone who died protecting his fellow soldiers. Someone with family, friends, and who had nothing but the most noble intentions to serve his country.

If you have personal issues with N8, take it up with him. To poke fun at a dead soldier is just as sickening as anything N8 has ever posted. You are disgusted with his dismissal of Iraqi lives, yet you dismiss this American life just as callously? Hypocrite.

Do you subscribe to, "Do as I say, not as I do"?

Live as you expect others to live. Only then are you given the right to criticize their choices.

 

[springfield1911]

Is it just me or the wife and children look HAPPY?

I solute the man for what he did for his fellow soldiers, the Iraqi people, and all those whom he made an oathe to protect, but WHY IS HIS WIFE SO HAPPY? WHen my grandfather was shot, missing for two months in Europe during WWII, he was awarded numerious awards for bravery, but my grandmother was devestated and did not smile again for a year unti lshe discovered that he was still alive.

I guess different times brings different way of expressing sorrow and rememberance, but the photo made me shiver.

 

[caputo1989]

More A-holes should pay attention to theese.

 

[The Kadvang]

This thread has left me speechless....