[Old Man G Funk]

The point is why should anyone listen to the blather of a typical christian that doesn't practice what he preaches,(because really who really does in any realm) yet is more than happy to regurgitate quotes from the bible to justify ignorance, hate, and intolerance. And to be absolved of any consequence as a result thru the righteous arrogance carried through your reckless stance, that the end of the argument begins and ends with your comic book.

Maybe that's the point of his religion. It teaches that we are all inherently evil and bad. So, why shouldn't we hate on each other? You can find justification for it in the Bible. You can also justify ignorance and intolerance. Maybe he is practicing what he preaches.

 

[JRogers]

Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?

I seen you 'round for a long long time
I really 'membered you when you drink my wine

Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?

I seen you walkin' down in Chinatown
I called you but you could not look around

Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?

I bring my money to the welfare line
I see you standing in it every time

Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?

etc. That is all.

 

[Damn True]

Let's assume for a moment that pulling BM wasn't a business decision, but a moral one.

IF that's true, why allow a movie like Hostel to be shown as well?

Like Andy said, it's more icky. I mean, people getting off on cutting up and killing others. ugh.

So why draw a line at homosexuality and be "fine" with other types of sin?

An excellent point. If one was to take the side of the ultra-devout mormon, one might contend that BM pushes a "pro-gay" agenda and one could make some semi-legit arguments to support that assertion in regard to desensatization to what those people view as aberant behavoir.

I doubt one could make the arguement that Hostel pushes a "pro-random acts of horrible murder" agenda. More logicly one might say that a movie like Hostel desensatizes people to the reality of death and violence.

That said, there is a high degree of likelyhood that the theatre owner was probably pressured by people to pull the flick. Those people are most likely more threatened by content of BM than they are by Hostel.

But based on that same pressure, the theatre owner might very well have realized that he wasn't going to sell many tickets to such a movie given his clientele.

 

[LordOpie]

I think that IF the movie pushed any agenda, it'd be tolerance and acceptance... or at least not beating queers to death.

I can't imagine any movie pushes a sexual orientation agenda. I mean, I don't know a single straight guy who could watch any amount of pro-gay propoganda and be converted.

I've not seen a movie that targets gays and attempts to convert them, tho I wouldn't be surprised to see it exist.

The point about desensitizing violence is true and scary.

 

[Damn True]

I think that IF the movie pushed any agenda, it'd be tolerance and acceptance... or at least not beating queers to death.

I can't imagine any movie pushes a sexual orientation agenda. I mean, I don't know a single straight guy who could watch any amount of pro-gay propoganda and be converted.

I've not seen a movie that targets gays and attempts to convert them, tho I wouldn't be surprised to see it exist.

The point about desensitizing violence is true and scary.

To be clear, I'm not trying to make the "agenda" argument. Merely saying that that might be the tack taken by a group opposed to the film.

 

[Changleen]

America seems to have very strange ideas about what is acceptable viewing.

Look at your primetime TV - CSI, SVU etc. It's absolutely fine to show the most foul murder, hatred and sexual crimes but god forbid you show people making love.

 

[Damn True]

America seems to have very strange ideas about what is acceptable viewing.

Look at your primetime TV - CSI, SVU etc. It's absolutely fine to show the most foul murder, hatred and sexual crimes but god forbid you show people making love.

Well, we agree on the gruesome violence. Those shows are too much for me. Can't watch them, definitely not suitable for kids.

By the same token, IMO there is far too much gratuitious sexual content on TV as well.

As for movies...sadly the absolute lack of theatres enforcing the rating system, combined with lousy parenting means that objectionable material be it sexual or violent is readilly accessible to kids.

 

[Reactor]

Me too. And, if people are influenced by what they see, I'd much rather they be influenced to love one another than kill one another.

We are on the same page. Sex is a normal part of life, most people are going to have sex thousands of times in their life. Hopefully you shouldn't ever have to make a decision about killing someone.

 

[LordOpie]

...most people are going to have sex thousands of times in their life.

That's just a good year for G Funk

 

[Tenchiro]

That's just a good year for G Funk

I think he meant with other people.

 

[stinkyboy]

I think he meant with other people.

ROTFLMCAO!

 

[LordOpie]

I think he meant with gay cowboys.

oh, my bad.

 

[pterodactyl]

I've seen pics of some of you guys in lycra...kinda gay and icky all at the same time.

Anything in the bible about wearing clothes that are tight when you are 30lbs overweight? If anything should be removed from viewing beacuse of gayness, it should be that.

Anythoughts on what the porn industry will use as a title from this movie?

"Broke Backdoor Entry Mountain"?

 

[Damn True]

We are on the same page. Sex is a normal part of life, most people are going to have sex thousands of times in their life. Hopefully you shouldn't ever have to make a decision about killing someone.

Portrayal of normal human sexuality is one thing and I'm fine with that in the appropriate context.
But graphic depictions, descriptions or the type of behavior shown on Desperate Housewives etc. is anything but normal.

 

[Changleen]

Portrayal of normal human sexuality is one thing and I'm fine with that in the appropriate context.
But graphic depictions, descriptions or the type of behavior shown on Desperate Housewives etc. is anything but normal.

What's offended you in Desperate Housewives?

 

[Damn True]

What's offended you in Desperate Housewives?

Wholesale infidelity depicted as an acceptible normal everyday part of suburban life. Just like soccer practice.

All perfectly normal
A couple of episode recaps:

At a dinner party, Gabrielle kisses Tom when he says girls like her would never give him the time of day back in high school. Everyone laughs, except Lynette, who is most definitely not amused.

Bree lets slip the details of Gabby's affair, so Lynette is even more alarmed when she finds Gabby home alone with Tom because she stopped to help him get the groceries into the house. She asks Gabby pointblank if she's hitting on Tom and when Gabby asks what she's done to deserve this mistrust, Lynette says, "It's a small town. People talk." Tom gets an ego boost from the whole thing and insists that Bree's been checking him out when he goes to get his morning paper and Lynette lovingly laughs it off.

She goes over to Gabby's to apologize for overreacting, but when Gabby can't admit that she was wrong too, Lynette kisses Carlos to see how she likes it. "OK, I get your point," Gabrielle admits as she pulls them apart.

Since his wife had already urged Carlos to have his own affair to help him get over hers, he swings by Lynette's to ask if she'd be interested. She politely declines, even when he tells her that was one hell of a kiss.

Bree is shocked when she sees Andrew kissing his boyfriend, Justin, goodnight in front of the house. She tells him to stop seeing him, but Andrew shrugs it off -- and asks if she wants to finish off that bottle of wine she was drinking. The next morning, she brings him breakfast in bed, and nearly drops the tray when she finds Justin in bed with her son. She threatens to call the police unless Justin leaves and never comes back, and Andrew plays his trump card. If she does, then he'll tell them how she let George die.

Bree marches across the street and hires Carl to get his legal advice on the situation. He informs Andrew that he has no legal recourse so Andrew says he'll simply tell Bree's friends about what she did. Carl waits until Bree is out of the room and then he slams Andrew up against a wall and tells him to respect his mother or he'll deal with him himself.

Edie confronts a strange man who has been parked on the block for two hours -- Monroe, who's scoping out the Applewhite house. She thinks he's working for a competitive real estate firm and she tells him to leave.

Monroe breaks into the Applewhite's house later that night and finds Caleb in the basement. But the old stairs give way and he falls to his death. When Betty and Matthew get home, they realize they have to dispose of the body, but only get as far as stuffing him in the trunk of his car -- and then Betty closes the trunk with the keys inside.

Susan is surprised when she sees Zach and rushes to tell Mike, who tells her he already knows he's back, but has been told to stay away from him by Paul. Meanwhile, Paul tells Zach he's homeschooling him because certain people don't want them back. "Like Mike Delfino?" Zach asks, saying Felicia told him that Mike wanted to kill Paul and also about Mrs. Huber's murder. Paul denies both charges, asking Zach if he really thinks he's capable of murder. Zach doesn't seem too sure when he says, "No."

Zach apologizes to Susan and Julie, and they decide he's changed for the better, so they come up with a plan where he and Mike can spend some time together, at the bowling alley. When Paul finds the bowling scorecard, he rushes to confront Mike about it. Seeing the two men brawling on the sidewalk, Susan, is distracted and swerves her car -- right into the car with the dead man in the trunk. Everyone gathers around as the hood pops open and they see the body.

And another.....

When Nina delivers another scathing critique, Lynette snaps and tells her she owes the group an apology. But her coworkers refuse to back her up. When she goes into work late, she finds the office gofer, Stu, and Nina in an amorous clinch. The next morning, an embarrassed Nina wants to find out what it'll take to keep Lynette quiet. She turns down a raise and a bigger office and just asks that Nina be nice to her.

Instead, Nina removes her leverage by firing Stu, and threatening to fire Lynette too if she doesn't toe the line. Lynette calls up Stu and mentions that he can now sue the company for sexual harassment. When she shows up at work the next day, the big boss, Ed, has fired Nina and all of her team, except for Lynette, whom he's giving Nina's old job.

On her way out, Nina warns her that she's just adopted a bigger baby in the demanding Ed than any she has at home.

Carlos is given early parole, thanks to the work of a Catholic charity, and Gabrielle is alarmed to see that the nun behind the parole is one Sister Mary Margaret, a worrisomely attractive blonde. Suddenly Carlos is ultra religious, and seeing far too much of the pretty Sister. Gabrielle tells the nun that she and Carlos need time alone to save their marriage and Mary Margaret says that Carlos's criminal record is all Gabrielle's fault, and that she won't stop her efforts to redeem Carlos.

Susan goes to see, Mr. Purdy, whom she's just learned is her father. She takes such a liking to him, she decides to apply for a job at his store to get to know him better, her plan being to tell him the truth down the road. He becomes suspicious of why such an attractive woman is so interested in him and accuses her of being hired by his wife to ensnare him. She blurts out the truth and he collapses. At the hospital, he says he's sorry, but getting to know her would jeopardize his marriage. She refuses to leave, so she's still there when his wife arrives. She lies and says she was just a customer who called 911. Before she leaves, she whispers to him that she's not giving up yet.

George interrupts a dinner party Bree is hosting by serenading her loudly. When he won't leave she calmly goes upstairs and gets her rifle and shoots at his van.

The next day he just "happens" to ride by her house on his bike and tells her he can't stand her thinking he's a bad person. She goes to visit Dr. Goldfine, who's in the hospital with some broken limbs but otherwise unharmed from being thrown off the bridge. He tells her his assailant rode a bike and she suddenly realizes that George is responsible.

George is on his way home when he sees the police conducting a search. He calls Bree and she tells him to get help. Instead, he checks into a hotel, the same hotel where she is co-chairing a charity event. He sends her a note that he's taken a fatal dose of pills and that if she cares about him, she'll come to his room. Instead she calls the police, who inform her that in their search, they've found evidence that George poisoned Rex.

In shock, Bree goes up to George's room. She finds him lying on the bed, nearly out from the pills. She says she can forgive him if he admits to what he did. He finally says whatever he did, he did for her -- because she wanted him to. And then he asks her to please call an ambulance. She smiles and tells him she already did. Instead, she just sits and waits. And then she calmly walks out of the room.

 

[Changleen]

ARGH SPOILERS!!!

You bastard!

 

[Changleen]

Seriously, I'm glad the police figure out Geore poisoned Rex.

...Yeah, there is a lot of infidelity in DH, but it doesn't really compare to the graphic descriptions of paedophilic rape and abuse you get in SVU IMO.

 

[tomvan72]

Are you guys really jabbering about a tv show? I mean, Damn True wrote a book about it. Its actually funny!

 

[Changleen]

DT Ctrl+C'd a plot synopsis of some episodes I haven't seen yet.... :grr:

 

[Old Man G Funk]

Portrayal of normal human sexuality is one thing and I'm fine with that in the appropriate context.
But graphic depictions, descriptions or the type of behavior shown on Desperate Housewives etc. is anything but normal.

Then don't watch it.

 

[Old Man G Funk]

oh, my bad.

Actually, if you count women, myself, and gay cowboys, a thousand times is just a good month.

 

[Reactor]

Portrayal of normal human sexuality is one thing and I'm fine with that in the appropriate context.
But graphic depictions, descriptions or the type of behavior shown on Desperate Housewives etc. is anything but normal.

I agree to an extent, but watching two hours of aberrant sex is still better than watching two hours of people being tortured, maimed, mutilated, hacked to pieces. I have no problem with a movie that shows sex in context.

 

[Old Man G Funk]

Portrayal of normal human sexuality is one thing and I'm fine with that in the appropriate context.
But graphic depictions, descriptions or the type of behavior shown on Desperate Housewives etc. is anything but normal.

Who are you to say what's "normal" anyway?

 

[N8 v2.0]

Who are you to say what's "normal" anyway?

Woman weds dolphin
Tel Aviv, Israel
December 30, 2005 - 6:34AM

British tourist Sharon Tendler has finally made her dream match - by "marrying" a dolphin she has been visiting for 15 years in the Israeli resort of Eilat, the mass-circulation Yediot Ahronot daily reported today.

Ms Tendler, 41, has been visiting the city on the Gulf of Aqaba two or three times a year to spend time with her 35-year-old underwater sweetheart.

"The peace and tranquility under water, and his love, would calm me down," the Israeli daily quoted her as saying.

Last week, Ms Tendler finally plucked up the courage to ask the dolphin's trainer for the mammal's fin in marriage.

The wedding took place on Wednesday, with the bride - wearing a white dress and watched by amazed spectators - walking down the dock to where the groom was waiting in the water.

She kissed him, to the cheers of the spectators and then, after the ceremony was sealed with some mackerels, was tossed into the water so she could swim away with her new husband.

"I'm the happiest girl on earth," the bride was quoted as saying.

"I made a dream come true. And I am not a pervert."

 

[fluff]

Who are you to say what's "normal" anyway?

Hey, after all as near as dammit all of us have sex at some point in our lives, some people more than once, some with more than one partner (heck, some even more than one partner at the same time!). Some people even engage in sex purely for pleasure and not simply to make babies!

So, pretty much normal human behaviour.

Beating the **** of of someone? Killing someone? Mutilation, maiming? Not too many people indulge in these on a regular basis (thankfully).

 

[stinkyboy]

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140333&highlight=dolphin

 

[Damn True]

Who are you to say what's "normal" anyway?

Nice attempt to bait. You know exactly what I meant.

 

[Old Man G Funk]

Nice attempt to bait. You know exactly what I meant.

No, actually I don't.

Do you think that people having extra-marital affairs is not "normal"? It happens all the time, so what is not "normal" about it? Seriously, who are you to be the arbiter of what is or is not "normal"?

 

[Damn True]

My problem is when it is portrayed as acceptible behavior.

Do you think it is acceptible? Do you think it should be portrayed as such? Don't you think that if continued exposure to violence desensatized people to it that the same can be said of the above?

 

[Old Man G Funk]

My problem is when it is portrayed as acceptible behavior.

Do you think it is acceptible? Do you think it should be portrayed as such? Don't you think that if continued exposure to violence desensatized people to it that the same can be said of the above?

When what is portrayed as acceptible? Cheating on spouses? Graphic depictions? Be more specific please.

 

[Reactor]

My problem is when it is portrayed as acceptible behavior.

Do you think it is acceptible? Do you think it should be portrayed as such? Don't you think that if continued exposure to violence desensatized people to it that the same can be said of the above?

The difference is we don't have 100,000 ****ed to death cases every year.

 

[LordOpie]

My problem is when it is portrayed as acceptible behavior.

Do you think it is acceptible? Do you think it should be portrayed as such? Don't you think that if continued exposure to violence desensatized people to it that the same can be said of the above?

I completely agree.

Excessive exposure to inappropriate behavior will negatively affect enough people that it should be limited. Parents should parent, adults should monitor themselves, and those with mental impairment should be supervised.

 

[Damn True]

When what is portrayed as acceptible? Cheating on spouses? Graphic depictions? Be more specific please.

Yes to both. Include changing partners more often than sox and the way sexuality is portrayed in pornography in there as well.

Again, my contention is that the desensitization that I think we all agree is harmful as a result of chronic exposure to violence is just as likely to occur as a result of exposure to harmful sexual behavior.

The thing is, that most people don't see it as potentially harmful because on some level we'd all like to be having more sex. We don't all want more violence. There isn't anything wrong with more sex provided it is healthy sex in healthy relationships. It's when it becomes harmful as a result of the aforementioned unaccpetible behavior it becomes problematic.

Good post Opie.

 

[Silver]

Again, my contention is that the desensitization that I think we all agree is harmful as a result of chronic exposure to violence is just as likely to occur as a result of exposure to harmful sexual behavior.

Which is why the murder rate in first world countries has skyrocketed the last 50 years, with the advent of mass media.

Also, I blame "A Clockwork Orange" for the fact that I nightly go out to rape and partake in a little of the ole' ultraviolence.

 

[Changleen]

And NO-ONE should watch Fox.

 

[Damn True]

And NO-ONE should watch Fox.

Couldn't agree more. I don't see a single show there that is worth watching. I will admit to watching 24, awfully bloddy, but freakin intense. King of the Hill & The Simpsons are pretty funny though.
http://www.fox.com/home.htm click shows


I think the WB is worse in terms of absolute drivel though.
http://thewb.warnerbros.com/web/schedule.jsp

 

[blue]

Back:

Given the showing the film made last week, uberbusinessman Miller's comment is as easy to swallow as a Utah Jazz basketball. If he were making strictly a marketing decision, his theater chain would be backstroking through even more than its usual piles of cash. "Brokeback" is showing on two screens at the independent Broadway Centre Cinemas in Salt Lake City, and the theater's take for the week was 12th-highest nationwide.

Link to article:
http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_3387326

And for more entertainment:

 

[LordOpie]

hahhahahaha

 

[Old Man G Funk]

Yes to both. Include changing partners more often than sox and the way sexuality is portrayed in pornography in there as well.

Again, my contention is that the desensitization that I think we all agree is harmful as a result of chronic exposure to violence is just as likely to occur as a result of exposure to harmful sexual behavior.

The thing is, that most people don't see it as potentially harmful because on some level we'd all like to be having more sex. We don't all want more violence. There isn't anything wrong with more sex provided it is healthy sex in healthy relationships. It's when it becomes harmful as a result of the aforementioned unaccpetible behavior it becomes problematic.

Good post Opie.

So, what is "healthy sex" in a "healthy relationship"? Are you contending that it is abnormal or somehow wrong to engage in sex unless one is in a committed relationship? Does it have to be a hetero relationship? Does oral count?

Shouldn't a couple be married before having sex? Wouldn't that be more "normal" for you? How about only having sex for procreation? I'm not trying to create strawmen here, I actually want you to answer, because I bet the answer to the questions in this paragraph is, "no."